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OpenStudy (kc_kennylau):

How to derive the equation of a square that is |x+y|+|x-y|=a?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

This might help http://www.derivative-calculator.net/

OpenStudy (kc_kennylau):

Not finding the derivative...

OpenStudy (kc_kennylau):

Like how do you know that the equation of a square is |x+y|+|x-y|=1

OpenStudy (anonymous):

sorry then this mod will help.

OpenStudy (kc_kennylau):

lolz i know this mod

OpenStudy (kc_kennylau):

and he just said he can't help me

OpenStudy (callisto):

You know she is so stupid that she can't help, yea :\

OpenStudy (kc_kennylau):

lolz

OpenStudy (alekos):

the question is ambiguous

OpenStudy (kc_kennylau):

Like I know the equation of a square is \(|x+y|+|x-y|=a\), but how

zepdrix (zepdrix):

I'm not sure exactly if this is what you want... Uhmmm.. Like how can we graph a square given that particular function? Is that what you want to know?

OpenStudy (kc_kennylau):

I already know how to express the equation of a square (|x+y|+|x-y|=a), I just wanna know the working principle :)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

You argue like this if \( \large x \ge y>0 \), then \[ \large (|x+y|+|x-y|=a\\ x+y + x -y =a=2x\\ x=\frac a 2 \] and you consider all other cases, you find that \[ x=\pm \frac a 2\\ y=\pm \frac a 2 \]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

These are the equations of the sides of a square of side a and centered at the origin.

myininaya (myininaya):

It sorta reminds me of the standard form for a circle. (AND I SAY SORTA!)

OpenStudy (ikram002p):

|x+y|+|x-y|=a i might have an idea but dnt know if it gonna work

OpenStudy (ikram002p):

but the final sketch i guss it goes like this one |dw:1387540007995:dw|

OpenStudy (anonymous):

@ikram002p \[ 2 \sqrt{(x-y)^2}\sqrt{(x+y)^2}= 2 |x-y| |x+y| \] and not \[ 2 \sqrt{(x-y)^2}\sqrt{(x+y)^2}= 2 (x-y)(x+y) \]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

@ikram002p also the final graph looks like http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=ContourPlot++Abs%5Bx+-+y%5D+%2B+Abs%5Bx+%2B+y%5D+ one of the above

OpenStudy (ikram002p):

the final i drowed was for |2x|=|a| humm i know there is somthing wrong but not completly the analys i give is one of the cases cuz as u said 2bla bla=2|x+y||x-y| so i can covert it to 2(x+y)(x-y) cuz at the end i can elimate y but the idea is how to convert a squire cus |2x|=|a| is not the same of |x+y|+|x-y|=a its just a case of it

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Anytime you are dealing with absolute value of a number you have to consider cases where the number inside is positive or negative. \[\sqrt{(-5)^2} = 5=|-5|\quad and\, not -5 \]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

\[ \sqrt{x^2}= |x| \]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

You have to do it the way I suggested above by considering all the possibilities

OpenStudy (ikram002p):

ohk maby next time :) ty for ur advice

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Your method @ikram002p is not 100% correct that is what I am trying to explain to you.

OpenStudy (ikram002p):

i know i said that from the beginig i said this befor i answer "i might have an idea but dnt know if it gonna work" i was trying to solve it for real

OpenStudy (anonymous):

One also can easily prove the opposite, that is if you take any point ( u,v) on the lines \[ x=\pm \frac a 2 \\ y=\pm \frac a 2 \] then |u-v| + |u+v|=a Also you have to consider 8 cases ( all are similar) and 2 are in each quadrant.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Of course restricted to the boundary of the square.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Let us consider on case, the other are similar case 1. First quadrant \[ u=\frac a 2, \, 0 \leq v \leq \frac a 2 \\ |u-v| + |u+v| = \left | \frac a 2 -v \right|+ \left | \frac a 2+v \right|=\\ \frac a 2 -v + \frac a 2+v=a \]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

one case

OpenStudy (kc_kennylau):

thanks so much everyone :D Acknowledgement: @GABI_J @Callisto @alekos @zepdrix @eliassaab @myininaya @ikram002p

OpenStudy (amistre64):

equation of a square ... that was new for me lol

OpenStudy (kc_kennylau):

That's why I'm trying to understand it lol :)

OpenStudy (amistre64):

if we consider it a surface: z = f(x,y) .... but then it could also be seen as a square "tube" sliced, hmmm

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