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OpenStudy (anonymous):

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OpenStudy (anonymous):

Is this the problem you messaged me about?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Yikes...sorry hun, but this isn't something that I've learned yet. I wish I could help. :(

OpenStudy (anonymous):

This might help though: http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100129094747AAjjqJk the person solves it out and everything.

OpenStudy (agent0smith):

use \[\Large v_f^2 = v_i^2 + 2a \Delta x\]to find it's final velocity. vi is zero, a=-9.8m/s^2, delta x is 5.0 m

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Get the velocity of the rock from the increase in kinetic energy due to gravity (1/2) m v^2 = m g h, the momentum of the rock will then be m v. That momentum will add its tiny bit to the momentum of the Earth. Starting with a stationary Earth would give you mv + 0 = (m+M) v' so v' = [m/(m+M)] v with m = rock mass and M = earth mass and v' = final velocity.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

No problem.

OpenStudy (agent0smith):

I wrote a in my post.

OpenStudy (agent0smith):

Yes, since it's freefalling

OpenStudy (agent0smith):

Yes

OpenStudy (agent0smith):

^that's much too high... you should get \[\Large v = \sqrt{ 2gh}\] then you just plug in g and h

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Too high. v = sqrt[2(9.8)(5)]

OpenStudy (agent0smith):

You're squaring too many things..

OpenStudy (agent0smith):

You can either use this \[\Large v_f^2 = v_i^2 + 2a \Delta x\] or this (1/2) m v^2 = m g h

OpenStudy (agent0smith):

It's not, do the calculation from scratch. You're squaring a when you shouldn't be

OpenStudy (agent0smith):

Yes

OpenStudy (agent0smith):

Yes

OpenStudy (agent0smith):

Change in momentum is mass times velocity (change in velocity, but it started from rest anyway).

OpenStudy (agent0smith):

Yes, the one with the negative should do, since you used g as negative

OpenStudy (agent0smith):

It doesn't really matter, as long as you specify direction.

OpenStudy (agent0smith):

idk, sure, whatever 14*9.8 equals

OpenStudy (anonymous):

give that added momentum to the Earth and calculate its new velocity from added momentum = (m + M) v'

OpenStudy (agent0smith):

@douglaswinslowcooper are you sure about that? Momentum before = momentum after momentum before the object drops is zero, momentum after = mv + MV (using mv for the rock, MV for earth)

OpenStudy (agent0smith):

so the momentum of rock = momentum of earth 14*9.8 = M*v where M is earth's mass. Find v.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

the point of the problem is that the tiny momentum you calculated for the rock, mv, when added to the Earth produces a very, very tiny change in the Earth's velocity m v = (m+M) v' v' = [m/(m+M)] v

OpenStudy (agent0smith):

^the rock had zero momentum before, and they also aren't sticking together (as your equation implies) the rock hasn't hit the ground. It's falling.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

In an inelastic collision, the objects fuse and share the same final velocity.

OpenStudy (agent0smith):

It isn't. Where are you reading that they collided?

OpenStudy (agent0smith):

A 14 kg rock starting from rest free falls through a distance of 5.0 m with no air resistance. Find the momentum change of the rock caused by its fall and the resulting change in the magnitude of earth’s velocity. Earth’s mass is 6.0 × 1024 kg. Show all your work, assuming the rock-earth system is closed. ^nowhere does it imply that the rock has hit the ground.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Shall we assume there is only the gravitational interaction with no impact?

OpenStudy (agent0smith):

And if the rock did hit the ground, the change in momentum would be zero. Before the rock falls, net momentum is zero. After it hits the ground, net must still be zero.

OpenStudy (agent0smith):

Impact would mean both objects come to rest, since before the rock fell, they were both at rest.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Yes, but I doubt this was the intent of the question. Who knows?

OpenStudy (agent0smith):

It is, there's no reason to assume the rock collided. Momentum before = momentum after Before, the objects are at rest. After, the rock has gained 14*9.8 kgm/s, thus the earth must have gained that same amount, in the opposite direction.

OpenStudy (agent0smith):

Momentum before = momentum after 0 = mv + MV so little letters for rock, big for earth -mv = MV

OpenStudy (agent0smith):

All you're concerned about is momentum before the rock falls, and after it's fallen 5.0 m.

OpenStudy (agent0smith):

-mv = MV where m is mass of rock, v is velocity of rock M is mass of Earth, V is velocity of earth (solve for V)

OpenStudy (agent0smith):

You found it earlier, velocity of the rock was sqrt(2*9.8*5)

OpenStudy (agent0smith):

Doesn't really matter, like I said above. You choose, since you're the one deciding which direction is negative or positive.

OpenStudy (agent0smith):

Yes

OpenStudy (agent0smith):

I don't know how you got that, unless that 23 is -23

OpenStudy (anonymous):

-23

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