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OpenStudy (usukidoll):

Verify that the following are tautologies by citing the appropriate previous result. Do not make truth tables.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Hmmm, are you going to draw your work like you always do?

OpenStudy (usukidoll):

OpenStudy (usukidoll):

just 1.4.15 I've done 1.4.16 so anyway if I draw the truth tables I have seen the column of T's but I can't do that on 1.4.15

OpenStudy (usukidoll):

and the cite appropritate previous results is driving me nuts.

OpenStudy (inkyvoyd):

I feel like the problem wants you to cite the theorems that the textbook establishes

OpenStudy (usukidoll):

I've noticed that a. is a double negation b and c are demorgans d and e is divisibility

OpenStudy (usukidoll):

the last one is contrapositive.

OpenStudy (inkyvoyd):

you can't cite problem 1.4.12 for f?

OpenStudy (usukidoll):

o_O what is F and I wasn't assigned 1.4.12

OpenStudy (inkyvoyd):

wait a second... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Material_implication_(rule_of_inference)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

I think you are supposed to use various properties of Boolean Algebra, no?

OpenStudy (usukidoll):

what is that? D: like communitative associative law?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Yes.

OpenStudy (usukidoll):

maybe from this?

OpenStudy (inkyvoyd):

I think F is a combination of material implication/rule of inference, and de morgan's law after negation

OpenStudy (usukidoll):

ok so how do I verify a tautology if I have to use those laws?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Yes, you can use the double negative property to show that \[ \neg(\neg P)\iff P \]Is equivalent to \[ P \iff P \]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Crap what happened to my latex?

OpenStudy (usukidoll):

so I have to use those laws and show equivalency?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Why can't I see previews either?

OpenStudy (usukidoll):

I have texmaker

OpenStudy (inkyvoyd):

~(p->q) <-> ~(~p v q) Material implication ~(~p v q) <-> (~~p)^(~q) De Morgan's Law (~~p)^(~q) <-> p^(~q) Double Negation

OpenStudy (usukidoll):

so using demorgans and those laws....

OpenStudy (usukidoll):

~(~p) <-> p double negation

OpenStudy (usukidoll):

then apply demorgans to that/

OpenStudy (usukidoll):

so... ~[~(~P)] <-> ~P

OpenStudy (usukidoll):

:/

OpenStudy (usukidoll):

ohhhhh. ~(~P) <-> ~(~P) P <-> P

OpenStudy (inkyvoyd):

I did f for you, but I'm not sure if your textbook has the material implication/rule of inference. It should though...

OpenStudy (usukidoll):

I'm not sure if I'm doing a right... I was just substituting... ~(~P) <-> P ~(~P) <-> ~(~P) P <-> P

OpenStudy (inkyvoyd):

@UsukiDoll , are you citing the laws you used?

OpenStudy (usukidoll):

EEP! ~(~P) <-> P is double negation and then

OpenStudy (usukidoll):

I was subsituting stuff afterwards....... no good... gotta use demorgans on a

OpenStudy (inkyvoyd):

huh?

OpenStudy (usukidoll):

@______________@

OpenStudy (usukidoll):

well wio put that ~(~P) <-> P is equilivlent to P <-> P

OpenStudy (inkyvoyd):

yeah

OpenStudy (usukidoll):

the latex on here wasn't working, but I used texmaker to see what it was

OpenStudy (usukidoll):

maybe ~(~P) <-> P is equilvalent to ~(~P) <-> ~(~P)?

OpenStudy (inkyvoyd):

P <-> P and then use a textbook theorem to show it is true

OpenStudy (usukidoll):

so I can't use ~(~P) <-> ~(~P) ?

OpenStudy (inkyvoyd):

Well, I'm not sure why you would complicate things... ~(~P) <-> P is equivalent to P <-> P by double negation and thus is T

OpenStudy (inkyvoyd):

not sure which law it is that states that P<->P is a tautology but I'm sure there is a name for it.

OpenStudy (usukidoll):

did you just subsitute the ~(~P) with the P? for ~(~P) <-> P?

OpenStudy (inkyvoyd):

yes, and my justification for that is the double negative

OpenStudy (inkyvoyd):

the main problem I see with using the <-> both to express the expression and to show equivalence is that it winds up getting kinda confusing

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Since \(x=x\) is a reflexive property of equality, you'd cite the reflexive property of the bi-conditional operator.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

If you want to be that rigorous.

OpenStudy (usukidoll):

<-> is confusing... there are two meanings.. one is biconditional and the other means equilvalent... the one in the book at least for this problem has a biconditional arrow

OpenStudy (inkyvoyd):

yeah, my teacher usually uses three bars

OpenStudy (usukidoll):

P <-> P is A tautology since P has the truth table of T T F F another P would be T T F F P <-> P is T T T T

OpenStudy (usukidoll):

~P is F F T T ~(~P) is T T F F another ~(~P) is T T F F so ~(~P) <-> ~(~P) is T T T T

OpenStudy (inkyvoyd):

yeah - my teacher would probably just let me stop at p<->p since he would consider the fact that that is true trivial

OpenStudy (usukidoll):

alright 2 down 4 more of those bad boys... luckily b and c are demorgans... and d and e are distributives

OpenStudy (usukidoll):

so... for b we have... ~( P V Q) <-> ~P ^ ~Q

OpenStudy (usukidoll):

maybe it's equilvalent to ahhh screw spelling lol ~P ^ ~Q <-> ~P ^ ~Q

OpenStudy (usukidoll):

and ~( P V Q) <-> ~( P V Q)

OpenStudy (usukidoll):

-_- this would be a lot easier if I draw the table slightly. P is T T F F Q is T F T F P V Q is T T T F ~(P V Q) is F F F T another ~(P V Q) is F F F T ~( P V Q) <-> ~( P V Q) is T T T T

OpenStudy (usukidoll):

~P ^ ~Q <-> ~P ^ ~Q P is T T F F Q is T F T F ~P is F F T T ~Q is F T F T ~P ^ ~Q is F F F T another ~P ^ ~Q is F F F T ~P ^ ~Q <-> ~P ^ ~Q is T T T T

OpenStudy (usukidoll):

c. ~(P ^ Q) <-> ~P V ~Q so... ~P V ~Q <-> ~P V ~Q ~(P ^ Q) <->~(P ^ Q)

OpenStudy (usukidoll):

P is T T F F Q is T F T F ~P is F F T T ~Q is F T F T ~P V ~Q is F T T T another ~P V ~Q is F T T T ~P V ~Q <-> ~P V ~Q is T T T T

OpenStudy (inkyvoyd):

ugh too sleepy to look over your work; @wio are you there?

OpenStudy (usukidoll):

P is T T F F Q is T F T F ~P is F F T T ~Q is F T F T (P ^ Q) is T F F F ~(P ^ Q) is F T T T another ~(P ^ Q) is F T T T ~(P ^ Q) <->~(P ^ Q) T T T T

OpenStudy (usukidoll):

maybe that's how it's supposed to be done?

OpenStudy (usukidoll):

If it is... then I'll just do D and E on paper since that's 8 rows right there

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Aren't you not supposed to use truth tables here?

OpenStudy (usukidoll):

yeah *facepalm*

OpenStudy (usukidoll):

arghhhhhhhhhhhhh ...... I know b and c are demorgans...

OpenStudy (usukidoll):

so a demorgan within a demorgan

OpenStudy (inkyvoyd):

just a single de morgan?

OpenStudy (usukidoll):

b is one demorgan and c is another demorgan

OpenStudy (usukidoll):

D: curse the instructions! I WISH I COULD USE A TRUTH TABLE!

OpenStudy (usukidoll):

~( P V Q) <-> ~P ^ ~Q

OpenStudy (inkyvoyd):

yeah, that's just de morgans law one time?

OpenStudy (usukidoll):

and then c. was the other demorgan c. ~(P ^ Q) <-> ~P V ~Q

OpenStudy (usukidoll):

@eliassaab

OpenStudy (usukidoll):

demorgan within a demorgan...................................

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Well, de Morgan is used regardless.

OpenStudy (usukidoll):

but I can't just leave the questions blank...

OpenStudy (inkyvoyd):

welll for those one step problems just cite the rule, and for multi step problems just do a mini proof I guess?

OpenStudy (usukidoll):

b and c are just demorgans... I guess that's the answer?

OpenStudy (usukidoll):

maybe do something like this? http://math.stackexchange.com/questions/358750/prove-the-following-is-a-tautology

OpenStudy (inkyvoyd):

Not sure what your teacher wants, but mine usually liked my two column proofs - anythign clear I guess

OpenStudy (usukidoll):

I wish it was a truth table... that would've been easy

OpenStudy (usukidoll):

hmmmmmm b and c are demorgans d and e are distributives g is a contra positive

OpenStudy (usukidoll):

~( P V Q) <-> ~P ^ ~Q demorgan then another demorgan usage demorgan tautology end result the end

OpenStudy (usukidoll):

wait the other demorgan is in c... maybe... ~( P V Q) <-> ~P ^ ~Q Demorgan's law ~(P ^ Q) <-> ~P V ~Q Demorgan's Law

OpenStudy (usukidoll):

and maybe for c ~(P ^ Q) <-> ~P V ~Q Demorgan's Law ~( P V Q) <-> ~P ^ ~Q Demorgan's law ???????????????

OpenStudy (usukidoll):

-.- if that's the case, those things were in front of my face.

OpenStudy (usukidoll):

@eliassaab

OpenStudy (agent0smith):

~( P V Q) <-> ~P ^ ~Q Demorgan's law ~(P ^ Q) <-> ~P V ~Q Demorgan's Law These I always remembered as being like a -ve sign in algebra. It "flips" the sign of the inequality (the v becomes ^ and vice versa)

OpenStudy (usukidoll):

I know that, but it can't be the entire answer right? @wio

OpenStudy (anonymous):

It is possible that a tautology can be proven with a single property of Boolean Algebra.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Why would it not be sufficient? Is there some number-of-steps quota you are hoping to reach?

OpenStudy (usukidoll):

ummm no :/

OpenStudy (usukidoll):

single property...like 1 line proofs

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