Verify that the following are tautologies by citing the appropriate previous result. Do not make truth tables.
Target: P -> Q <=> (~Q -> ~P)
For convenience, can we use small letters here?
this is the previous page
I guess so but I'll have a hard time seeing them
Ok, capital letter then. We need not use the previous page.
ok...so we use demorgan's law on really everything in the exercise right?
Not really.. You'll see. We'll work from the left. P -> Q <=> ~ (~ P -> Q) (from a) Do you agree with this step?
double negation...
but ok a is ~(~P) <-> P
so it appears that I am applying A to whatever problem we are working on ?
Hmm, at least to this problem. I think it is one of the fundamental rules, if I remember correctly.
what letter are we doing? G?
G.
hmmm... so ~(~P) <-> P from A (P ->Q)<->(~Q -> ~P) is G
We are going to show this (P ->Q)<->(~Q -> ~P), which is your part (g). The first step we do is to use the result from a. Is that clear?
yes so... ~(~P->Q) <-> (~Q->~P)
oh just the left side... ~(~P->Q) <->
No... We take (P -> Q) in (g) as P in (a)
It should be ~ ( ~ (P -> Q) )
(~(~(P->Q) )
(~(~(P->Q) ) )
ok
So far, we get P -> Q <=> ~ ( ~ (P-> Q) ) Agree?
yes :)
Now, we apply the result from (f) in ~ (P -> Q) part.
so we're getting the info from f and putting it into the ~(P->Q)?
Yes. What do you get?
ok so f is ~(P->Q) <-> P^ ~Q ummm ~(~(~P->Q)) ?
Nooooooo Just replace "~ (P-> Q) " by "P ∧ (~Q)" in the first bracket. We'll get P -> Q <=> ~ ( ~ (P-> Q) ) from (a) <=> ~ ( P ∧ (~Q) ) from (f) So far so good?
OH! so after we have ~(~(P->Q) from a we use the result from f and plug it in there. Since f is ~(P->Q) <-> P^ ~Q we plug in P^~Q in the ~(P->Q)) part which results in ~(P ^(~Q))
was the ~ from ~ ( ~ (P-> Q) ) distributed or we just plug in the result from F in its entirety
oh no it was just replaced.
I CAN'T VIEW DRAWINGS D:
What about LaTeX?
can't view it on os.
equation and draw don't work
P -> Q <=> ~ ( ~ (P-> Q) ) from (a) |_________| l V |-------| <=> ~ ( P ∧ (~Q) ) from (f) Get it?
yeah......
Good. Next, from c, we can replace " P ∧ (~Q) " by " ~ P V ~(~Q) " So, we get P -> Q <=> ~ ( ~ (P-> Q) ) from (a) <=> ~ ( P ∧ (~Q) ) from (f) <=> ~ ( ~ P V ~ (~ Q) ) from (c) So far so good?
well c is ~(P^Q) <-> ~P V ~Q
Yes. But now, you have ~Q on the left instead of Q, So...
this is where I am starting to feel lost here.
from what I'm reading.... <=> ~ ( P ∧ (~Q) ) from (f) and then since C is ~(P^Q) <-> ~P V ~Q one of them is going to be replaced
~( P ∧ Q ) <=> ~ P V ~ (Q) from (c) Substitute Q by ~Q, we get So, we get ~ ( P ∧ (~Q) ) ( ~ P V ~ (~ Q) ) Does that look good?
The fourth line should be ~ ( P ∧ (~Q) ) <=> ( ~ P V ~ (~ Q) )
so P ∧ (~Q) is being replaced by ~P V ~Q... however it needs to be placed properly... like (~P V~(~Q))
Not really. From (c), we have ~( P ∧ Q ) <=> ~ P V ~ (Q) Now, replace Q from the above tautology by ~Q, we get ~ ( P ∧ (~Q) ) <=> ( ~ P V ~ (~ Q) )
o-0
replace the Q from ~ P V ~ (Q) ?
From both left and right side of the tautology you get in (c)
and then the tautology appears or?
And then you will get "~ ( P ∧ (~Q) ) <=> ( ~ P V ~ (~ Q) )" The left side is exactly the things in the first bracket in the last line of what we just got: P -> Q <=> ~ ( ~ (P-> Q) ) from (a) <=> ~ ( P ∧ (~Q) ) from (f)
and then there's more stuff I think...
We replace "~ ( P ∧ (~Q) )" by " ( ~ P V ~ (~ Q) )" in the line "<=> ~ ( P ∧ (~Q) ) from (f) ". Then, we'll get P -> Q <=> ~ ( ~ (P-> Q) ) from (a) <=> ~ ( P ∧ (~Q) ) from (f) <=> ~ ( ~ P V ~ (~Q) ) from (c)
and then test for tautology... see if it produces an all T column
and if not go further?
I don't think you can use truth table?!
then how would we know when we reach tautology
If you can get the right side from the left side
With correct steps.
is the result the same or?
like the left side = right side?
Yes.
hmmm...I think that a through e are one liners since they represent either one part of the law or the law as a whole. like for a . ~(~P) <-> P is the double negation. so if I replace ~(~P) with P I have P<->P. I have done the truth table even though I'm not allowed to and I do see a T column
maybe that's how to approach a...which is the first one.
?
this is what I wrote for b earlier ~( P V Q) <-> ~P ^ ~Q maybe it's equilvalent to ~P ^ ~Q <-> ~P ^ ~Q and ~( P V Q) <-> ~( P V Q)
c is ~(P ^ Q) <-> ~P V ~Q which is the other demorgan...
won't I get a tautology if I apply b to c and c to b?
Is what this link shows a part of your book?
no it's from another book
I need to see what have been mentioned in your textbook. :(
I think a-e are one liners for this http://assets.openstudy.com/updates/attachments/52db9a37e4b05a53debd0b77-usukidoll-1390123624453-scan1401170001.jpg
because b and c are demorgans already d and e are distributive a is double negation. won't proving those 5 be easier than the last two?
If your book has mentioned De Morgan's law, double negation, and distributive laws, then yes - you can simply say they are tautology since it has been mentioned in your book.
so they are indeed one liners... so for a ~(~P) <-> P if I replace ~(~P) with P I get P<-> P and that does produce a tautology
~(~P) <=> P LOL
eh?
hmmm... ~(~P) <=> ~(~P)
P <=> P or ~(~P) <=> ~(~P) is silly though :\
why is it silly?
Because obviously, P is same as P, and ~(~P) is the same as ~(~P). It's like we won't say 1=1 :|
*Not necessary to say 1=1
that's like the first problem of 1.4.15 XD
super short...so maybe that's it?
That is it.
woo .... so b and c which are both demorgans would also be short too right? because they seem to be related.
How are you going to verify (b)?
hmmm b is a demorgan in a nutshell same as c
Ok, then just name the rule, both as "De Morgan's rule".
wow typical troll ^
no. get out of my thread. You do realize that there's a mod on my thread helping me figure this out right? I can just print screen this, submit it to a mod, and you're out for thread crashing.
i have no idea what you just said
anyway moving that aside... d and e are distributive laws so do I just state the laws for d and e?
and then F was done earlier, so all there is ... is the rest of G in this?!
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