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OpenStudy (usukidoll):

Verify that the following are tautologies by citing the appropriate previous result. Do not make truth tables.

OpenStudy (usukidoll):

OpenStudy (callisto):

Target: P -> Q <=> (~Q -> ~P)

OpenStudy (callisto):

For convenience, can we use small letters here?

OpenStudy (usukidoll):

this is the previous page

OpenStudy (usukidoll):

I guess so but I'll have a hard time seeing them

OpenStudy (callisto):

Ok, capital letter then. We need not use the previous page.

OpenStudy (usukidoll):

ok...so we use demorgan's law on really everything in the exercise right?

OpenStudy (callisto):

Not really.. You'll see. We'll work from the left. P -> Q <=> ~ (~ P -> Q) (from a) Do you agree with this step?

OpenStudy (usukidoll):

double negation...

OpenStudy (usukidoll):

but ok a is ~(~P) <-> P

OpenStudy (usukidoll):

so it appears that I am applying A to whatever problem we are working on ?

OpenStudy (callisto):

Hmm, at least to this problem. I think it is one of the fundamental rules, if I remember correctly.

OpenStudy (usukidoll):

what letter are we doing? G?

OpenStudy (callisto):

G.

OpenStudy (usukidoll):

hmmm... so ~(~P) <-> P from A (P ->Q)<->(~Q -> ~P) is G

OpenStudy (callisto):

We are going to show this (P ->Q)<->(~Q -> ~P), which is your part (g). The first step we do is to use the result from a. Is that clear?

OpenStudy (usukidoll):

yes so... ~(~P->Q) <-> (~Q->~P)

OpenStudy (usukidoll):

oh just the left side... ~(~P->Q) <->

OpenStudy (callisto):

No... We take (P -> Q) in (g) as P in (a)

OpenStudy (callisto):

It should be ~ ( ~ (P -> Q) )

OpenStudy (usukidoll):

(~(~(P->Q) )

OpenStudy (callisto):

(~(~(P->Q) ) )

OpenStudy (usukidoll):

ok

OpenStudy (callisto):

So far, we get P -> Q <=> ~ ( ~ (P-> Q) ) Agree?

OpenStudy (usukidoll):

yes :)

OpenStudy (callisto):

Now, we apply the result from (f) in ~ (P -> Q) part.

OpenStudy (usukidoll):

so we're getting the info from f and putting it into the ~(P->Q)?

OpenStudy (callisto):

Yes. What do you get?

OpenStudy (usukidoll):

ok so f is ~(P->Q) <-> P^ ~Q ummm ~(~(~P->Q)) ?

OpenStudy (callisto):

Nooooooo Just replace "~ (P-> Q) " by "P ∧ (~Q)" in the first bracket. We'll get P -> Q <=> ~ ( ~ (P-> Q) ) from (a) <=> ~ ( P ∧ (~Q) ) from (f) So far so good?

OpenStudy (usukidoll):

OH! so after we have ~(~(P->Q) from a we use the result from f and plug it in there. Since f is ~(P->Q) <-> P^ ~Q we plug in P^~Q in the ~(P->Q)) part which results in ~(P ^(~Q))

OpenStudy (usukidoll):

was the ~ from ~ ( ~ (P-> Q) ) distributed or we just plug in the result from F in its entirety

OpenStudy (usukidoll):

oh no it was just replaced.

OpenStudy (usukidoll):

I CAN'T VIEW DRAWINGS D:

OpenStudy (callisto):

What about LaTeX?

OpenStudy (usukidoll):

can't view it on os.

OpenStudy (usukidoll):

equation and draw don't work

OpenStudy (callisto):

P -> Q <=> ~ ( ~ (P-> Q) ) from (a) |_________| l V |-------| <=> ~ ( P ∧ (~Q) ) from (f) Get it?

OpenStudy (usukidoll):

yeah......

OpenStudy (callisto):

Good. Next, from c, we can replace " P ∧ (~Q) " by " ~ P V ~(~Q) " So, we get P -> Q <=> ~ ( ~ (P-> Q) ) from (a) <=> ~ ( P ∧ (~Q) ) from (f) <=> ~ ( ~ P V ~ (~ Q) ) from (c) So far so good?

OpenStudy (usukidoll):

well c is ~(P^Q) <-> ~P V ~Q

OpenStudy (callisto):

Yes. But now, you have ~Q on the left instead of Q, So...

OpenStudy (usukidoll):

this is where I am starting to feel lost here.

OpenStudy (usukidoll):

from what I'm reading.... <=> ~ ( P ∧ (~Q) ) from (f) and then since C is ~(P^Q) <-> ~P V ~Q one of them is going to be replaced

OpenStudy (callisto):

~( P ∧ Q ) <=> ~ P V ~ (Q) from (c) Substitute Q by ~Q, we get So, we get ~ ( P ∧ (~Q) ) ( ~ P V ~ (~ Q) ) Does that look good?

OpenStudy (callisto):

The fourth line should be ~ ( P ∧ (~Q) ) <=> ( ~ P V ~ (~ Q) )

OpenStudy (usukidoll):

so P ∧ (~Q) is being replaced by ~P V ~Q... however it needs to be placed properly... like (~P V~(~Q))

OpenStudy (callisto):

Not really. From (c), we have ~( P ∧ Q ) <=> ~ P V ~ (Q) Now, replace Q from the above tautology by ~Q, we get ~ ( P ∧ (~Q) ) <=> ( ~ P V ~ (~ Q) )

OpenStudy (usukidoll):

o-0

OpenStudy (usukidoll):

replace the Q from ~ P V ~ (Q) ?

OpenStudy (callisto):

From both left and right side of the tautology you get in (c)

OpenStudy (usukidoll):

and then the tautology appears or?

OpenStudy (callisto):

And then you will get "~ ( P ∧ (~Q) ) <=> ( ~ P V ~ (~ Q) )" The left side is exactly the things in the first bracket in the last line of what we just got: P -> Q <=> ~ ( ~ (P-> Q) ) from (a) <=> ~ ( P ∧ (~Q) ) from (f)

OpenStudy (usukidoll):

and then there's more stuff I think...

OpenStudy (callisto):

We replace "~ ( P ∧ (~Q) )" by " ( ~ P V ~ (~ Q) )" in the line "<=> ~ ( P ∧ (~Q) ) from (f) ". Then, we'll get P -> Q <=> ~ ( ~ (P-> Q) ) from (a) <=> ~ ( P ∧ (~Q) ) from (f) <=> ~ ( ~ P V ~ (~Q) ) from (c)

OpenStudy (usukidoll):

and then test for tautology... see if it produces an all T column

OpenStudy (usukidoll):

and if not go further?

OpenStudy (callisto):

I don't think you can use truth table?!

OpenStudy (usukidoll):

then how would we know when we reach tautology

OpenStudy (callisto):

If you can get the right side from the left side

OpenStudy (callisto):

With correct steps.

OpenStudy (usukidoll):

is the result the same or?

OpenStudy (usukidoll):

like the left side = right side?

OpenStudy (callisto):

Yes.

OpenStudy (usukidoll):

hmmm...I think that a through e are one liners since they represent either one part of the law or the law as a whole. like for a . ~(~P) <-> P is the double negation. so if I replace ~(~P) with P I have P<->P. I have done the truth table even though I'm not allowed to and I do see a T column

OpenStudy (usukidoll):

maybe that's how to approach a...which is the first one.

OpenStudy (usukidoll):

?

OpenStudy (usukidoll):

this is what I wrote for b earlier ~( P V Q) <-> ~P ^ ~Q maybe it's equilvalent to ~P ^ ~Q <-> ~P ^ ~Q and ~( P V Q) <-> ~( P V Q)

OpenStudy (usukidoll):

c is ~(P ^ Q) <-> ~P V ~Q which is the other demorgan...

OpenStudy (usukidoll):

won't I get a tautology if I apply b to c and c to b?

OpenStudy (callisto):

Is what this link shows a part of your book?

OpenStudy (usukidoll):

no it's from another book

OpenStudy (callisto):

I need to see what have been mentioned in your textbook. :(

OpenStudy (usukidoll):

because b and c are demorgans already d and e are distributive a is double negation. won't proving those 5 be easier than the last two?

OpenStudy (callisto):

If your book has mentioned De Morgan's law, double negation, and distributive laws, then yes - you can simply say they are tautology since it has been mentioned in your book.

OpenStudy (usukidoll):

so they are indeed one liners... so for a ~(~P) <-> P if I replace ~(~P) with P I get P<-> P and that does produce a tautology

OpenStudy (callisto):

~(~P) <=> P LOL

OpenStudy (usukidoll):

eh?

OpenStudy (usukidoll):

hmmm... ~(~P) <=> ~(~P)

OpenStudy (callisto):

P <=> P or ~(~P) <=> ~(~P) is silly though :\

OpenStudy (usukidoll):

why is it silly?

OpenStudy (callisto):

Because obviously, P is same as P, and ~(~P) is the same as ~(~P). It's like we won't say 1=1 :|

OpenStudy (callisto):

*Not necessary to say 1=1

OpenStudy (usukidoll):

that's like the first problem of 1.4.15 XD

OpenStudy (usukidoll):

super short...so maybe that's it?

OpenStudy (callisto):

That is it.

OpenStudy (usukidoll):

woo .... so b and c which are both demorgans would also be short too right? because they seem to be related.

OpenStudy (callisto):

How are you going to verify (b)?

OpenStudy (usukidoll):

hmmm b is a demorgan in a nutshell same as c

OpenStudy (callisto):

Ok, then just name the rule, both as "De Morgan's rule".

OpenStudy (usukidoll):

wow typical troll ^

OpenStudy (usukidoll):

no. get out of my thread. You do realize that there's a mod on my thread helping me figure this out right? I can just print screen this, submit it to a mod, and you're out for thread crashing.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

i have no idea what you just said

OpenStudy (usukidoll):

anyway moving that aside... d and e are distributive laws so do I just state the laws for d and e?

OpenStudy (usukidoll):

and then F was done earlier, so all there is ... is the rest of G in this?!

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