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OpenStudy (loser66):

Please explain me

OpenStudy (loser66):

in Example 16.4 Question 1: for the wall R-sum = 11+0.17+0.65+0.55 = 12.37 , they calculate R = 12.4 for the roof, R-sum = 30 + 0.17+0.65+0.55 = 31.37 , they calculate R = 31.4 Why? they round the number or else? Question 2: H = -kA(dT/dx) and k = dx/R --> H = -(1/R)A (dT) they calculate all of them but - sign. Why?

OpenStudy (roadjester):

Does anyone else feel it could be because of significant figures? Personally it's the only reason I can think of, but that doesn't seem right because then the numbers would be rounded to 13 and 31, not 12.4 and 31.4. @LastDayWork @broken_symmetry can you guys help here?

OpenStudy (roadjester):

oops, I meant 12 and 31 not 12.4 and 31.4, my rounding was off.

OpenStudy (ybarrap):

For addition and subtraction, the result should have as many decimal places as the measured number with the smallest number of decimal places (for example, 100.0 + 1.111 = 101.1). If the first non-significant figure is a 5 followed by other non-zero digits, round up the last significant figure (away from zero). For example, 1.2459 as the result of a calculation or measurement that only allows for 3 significant figures should be written 1.25. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Significant_digits It is unlikely that the 11 and 30 had an uncertainty greater than +/ 0.1. This is then would be the numbers with the smallest number of decimal places. You would not expect to be MORE precise than these numbers. The negative just means that for any positive change in temperature versus distance then H will decrease.

OpenStudy (loser66):

I got what you mean One more question please we have Q = mc (delta T) and in this example, they use Q stands for the heat loss Question: Is there any relationship between them?

OpenStudy (roadjester):

heat wants to be in "equilibrium" so the 70 degrees will want to go to the 20 degrees outside. It's a matter of what you determine to be initial temperature and final temperature in the delta T of the equation. the equation can represent heat loss or heat gain depending.

OpenStudy (lastdaywork):

@Loser66 Why don't you take only magnitude from calculations and use physics to get the sign ??

OpenStudy (loser66):

@roadjester the first Q relates to m (mass) the example Q relates to Area how can they link? @LastDayWork in previous example, they use - sign to show the direction of the heat (which go from outside to inside) , in this example, they totally ignore it. That's why I made that question

OpenStudy (ybarrap):

m is moles and c is specific heat? This looks like enthalpy, the amount of heat that is required to change the temperature of a substance delta T degees

OpenStudy (roadjester):

I feel that @LastDayWork explanation is more eloquent but yes. Basically, determining which is initial and which is final is the physics aspect.

OpenStudy (loser66):

@ybarrap m stands for mass c stands for specific heat

OpenStudy (roadjester):

@Loser66 yes, that is correct

OpenStudy (ybarrap):

I see that now -- see page 2 here: http://ocw.nctu.edu.tw/upload/classbfs120912375412714.pdf

OpenStudy (loser66):

@ybarrap Thank you very much, it explains well why H = Q

OpenStudy (loser66):

:) This is the first lesson in my course. I don't want to miss anything. I am sorry for making many questions.

OpenStudy (ybarrap):

according to this document, delta H = Q for constant pressure delta U = Q for constant volume

OpenStudy (loser66):

R-factor = r ( R with the curve on the top left) and r = RA , for example R-30 --> r =30 , how can I calculate r with r = RA , what is R?

OpenStudy (roadjester):

@ybarrap are you talking about isobaric, isothermal, adiabatic, etc processes?

OpenStudy (ybarrap):

yes

OpenStudy (ybarrap):

@Loser66 what is "R with the curve on the top left"?

OpenStudy (lastdaywork):

In general; H = PV Thus; ∆H = P∆V + V∆P

OpenStudy (ybarrap):

That makes sense - the chain rule for energy!

OpenStudy (lastdaywork):

:)

OpenStudy (roadjester):

@LastDayWork you should probably write that in differential form

OpenStudy (loser66):

at the bottom of the page

OpenStudy (loser66):

the right hand side is R(with the curve at the top left) middle one is R . What is it? and in R-factor, the "factor" is R(with the curve) how about the R?

OpenStudy (lastdaywork):

@roadjester I need to go to sleep.. If you are trying to relate how ∆H = Q at constant pressure See First Law The interesting point is that - at constant pressure Q starts behaving as a state function :) Gud nite..

OpenStudy (loser66):

@LastDayWork Thanks for your help. Good night. :)

OpenStudy (roadjester):

lol ok good night although it's 11 am where i am

OpenStudy (loser66):

It's 2:10pm here. :)

OpenStudy (loser66):

Texas, right?

OpenStudy (loser66):

hey, why don't you work?

OpenStudy (loser66):

ooohh, nvm today is Saturday.

OpenStudy (lastdaywork):

Actually a correction - H = PV + U (or E)

OpenStudy (lastdaywork):

Now, gud nite XD

OpenStudy (loser66):

hahaha.... enthusiastic friend. Sleep well, friend

OpenStudy (lastdaywork):

:D

OpenStudy (ybarrap):

That's what delta U = Q for constant volume looks like

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