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OpenStudy (anonymous):

integration of ln(sinx) ?

hartnn (hartnn):

i can help if its an definite integral from 0 to pi/2

hartnn (hartnn):

or from 0 to pi

hartnn (hartnn):

indefinite integral of ln sinx cannot be expressed in terms of standard function

OpenStudy (mathmale):

@hartnn and @laibashah : Have you considered integration by parts? Supposing that we chose u=lin(sin x) and dv=dx, v=x and \[du=\frac{ 1 }{ \sin x }\cos x dx=\cot x dx\],

OpenStudy (mathmale):

and so we'd obtain (ln sin x)(x) - Int(x*cot x dx), which itself could, I believe, be integrated through integration by parts.

hartnn (hartnn):

integral x cot x is again, not integrable in terms of standard functions

hartnn (hartnn):

i proposed a much easier approach here, (easier than multiple by parts integration), but only if the limits are from 0 to pi or 0 to pi/2 http://openstudy.com/users/aliza_k#/updates/5039a6e2e4b043c156a31ff9

OpenStudy (mathmale):

It did dawn upon me that integrating cot x would result in an expression involving the ln function again, which seems to support your contention that x cot x is not integrable in terms of standard functions, unless you'd consider converting cot x to a Taylor series, multiplying that Taylor series by x, and then integrating term by term. Would you consider that approach to be "in terms of standard functions" or not?

hartnn (hartnn):

then you'll get an infinite series again, which will not have standard function representation.

OpenStudy (mathmale):

Yes, that makes sense. Thanks for the intelligent discussion. By the way, do you have a favorite definition of "not integrable in terms of standard functions" that would be comprehensible to a relative lay person?

hartnn (hartnn):

definition ? standard functions : Trigonometric(sin/cos/tan....) , Exponential/Log function, Hyperbolic Functions, Gamma/Beta functions, Algebraic functions.....and all the functions taught in colleges :P not integrable in terms of standard functions = answer is not among those standard functions

OpenStudy (anonymous):

there is no explicit answer so i can solve it iat the interval [0 , pi/2]

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