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OpenStudy (anonymous):

Need a quadratic equation with two real irrational solutions.

OpenStudy (jdoe0001):

well, how about if you give us two real irrational solutions first?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

I have to create the equation and find the solutions.

OpenStudy (jdoe0001):

yes, but is simpler if you just get the solutions first, then make the equation :)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Oh can you give me an example of an irrational solution?

OpenStudy (jdoe0001):

hmmm well.. do you know what an irrational number is?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

One that doesn't stop?

OpenStudy (jdoe0001):

well... not quite... because that's true for 1/3 yet is a fraction -> http://www.mathsisfun.com/irrational-numbers.html

OpenStudy (anonymous):

So i could use 1/3 and 5/6?

OpenStudy (jdoe0001):

well, 1/3 can be expressed as a RATION thus is a RATIONAL number

OpenStudy (anonymous):

I need irrational ones that are still real numbers

OpenStudy (jdoe0001):

so for the sake of simplicity let's say let us use .... root of two prime like \(\bf \sqrt{17}\qquad \sqrt{23}\)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

How would i graph that?

OpenStudy (jdoe0001):

hmmmm well... those are just the solutions :) to find the original equation, you'd just multiply them both

OpenStudy (anonymous):

I'm not following what you mean by multiply them both. Multiply them by what? and how does that give me the equation?

OpenStudy (jdoe0001):

\(\bf x=\sqrt{17}\implies (x-\sqrt{17})=0\\ \quad \\ x=\sqrt{23}\implies (x-\sqrt{23})=0\\ \quad \\ \quad \\ (x-\sqrt{23})(x-\sqrt{17})=\textit{original equation}\)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

How would I graph that?

OpenStudy (jdoe0001):

one can say that if you were to use the conjugates, will make it even simpler, say \(\bf x=\sqrt{17}\implies (x-\sqrt{17})=0\\ \quad \\ x=-\sqrt{17}\implies (x+\sqrt{17})=0\\ \quad \\ \quad \\ (x-\sqrt{23})(x+\sqrt{17})=\textit{original equation} \)

OpenStudy (jdoe0001):

once you FOIL it, you'd get an equation you can graph

OpenStudy (jdoe0001):

woops darn typos I meant \(\bf x=\sqrt{17}\implies (x-\sqrt{17})=0\\ \quad \\ x=-\sqrt{17}\implies (x+\sqrt{17})=0\\ \quad \\ \quad \\ (x-\sqrt{17})(x+\sqrt{17})=\textit{original equation}\)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

so (x-17) and x=17 and 23?

OpenStudy (wolf1728):

jdoe0001 isn't here anymore x will equal sqroot (17)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

so x=17 or x=\[\sqrt{17}\]

OpenStudy (wolf1728):

Why not try creating the original equation? (x−sq root(17) (x+sq root(17)=original equation can you multiply that ?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

yeah (x-17)

OpenStudy (wolf1728):

No - you'd have to have an x² in there.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

oh (\[x ^{2}\]-17)

OpenStudy (wolf1728):

jdoe0001 mentioned FOIL - do you know what that is?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

yeah first outer inner last

OpenStudy (wolf1728):

So multiply this using FOIL (x−sq root(17) (x+sq root(17)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

x2-17

OpenStudy (wolf1728):

That's close but instead of the 17, what should it be?

OpenStudy (wolf1728):

No wait I was wrong - that is it !!!!!!!!!!

OpenStudy (anonymous):

\[(x-\sqrt{17})(x+\sqrt{17})\]

OpenStudy (wolf1728):

That's how you'd factor the equation to get the 2 values of x.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

i need two solutions though thats only 1

OpenStudy (wolf1728):

look carefully , there are 2 solutions there

OpenStudy (anonymous):

\[\sqrt{17} \sqrt{-17}?\]

OpenStudy (wolf1728):

That is right those are the 2 solutions

OpenStudy (anonymous):

okay i need 1 more problem. Equation with no real solutions and two imaginary

OpenStudy (wolf1728):

Okay I'll see if I can come up with something.

OpenStudy (wolf1728):

x² + 2x + 4 =0 The problem with using that is that both answers are equal

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Need two imaginary ones.

OpenStudy (wolf1728):

BOTH of those answers are imaginary. but the answers equal each other. Here's a good equation: 2x² +5x +32 THe 2 answers are: -1.25 plus 3.7997 i and -1.25 minus 3.7997 i

OpenStudy (anonymous):

thank you

OpenStudy (wolf1728):

u r welcome - I guess that's it right?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

yep cya

OpenStudy (wolf1728):

okay c ya

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