HELP!! ALGEBRA FRACTIONS
\[\frac{ 1 }{ 8} + \frac{ 1 }{ 6 } + \frac{ 1 }{ x } = \frac{ 1 }{ y }\]
this is the original problem. i set the equation where x is for joseph and y is for the total of time they all take Hayden is a manager at a landscaping company. He has 3 workers to landscape an entire park, Cody, Kaitlyn, and Joseph. Cody can complete the project in 8 hours. Kaitlyn can complete the project in 6 hours. Joseph is new, so no one knows how long it will take him. Hayden assigns all of them to complete the park together. Explain to Hayden how this project can tell him how long it would take Joseph to complete the project if he worked by himself. Use complete sentences.
I would take the reciprocal of both sides and just get rid of the fractions
to make all numerator the same right?
LCD would be 24xy am i right?
or LCM im not sure which one is it lol
You don't have to do that in this case since all the numerators are 1.
yes but dont i need the denominators to be equal in order to solve?
\[(\frac{ 1 }{ 8} + \frac{ 1 }{ 6 } + \frac{ 1 }{ x } )^{-1}= (\frac{ 1 }{ y })^{-1} \rightarrow 8 +6+x=y\]
You only have one equation and twon unknowns, so it can't be solved. How did you come up with the equation? Was it given to you or is that what you think it needs to be?
thats what i came up with.. so it cant be solved?
the original problem is a word problem
I think the question can be solved, but not by your equation. We need to come up with a different one. The word prolem is weird, bc I feel like the answer woud be just let the guy do it himself and time him
i know... i honestly think this problem needs two equations
This is worded terribly. We have no base line to compare Joseph. We don't know his work ethic so we can't write an equation for him. Is that the entire problem you posted?
i think it it will be 1/8 + 1/6 = 1/y then when we find y we add 1/8 + 1/6 + 1/x = 1/y. we substitue y for the answer we got before and we solve for x to find josephs timing?
i don't know if i explained myself right
That wont work because if two terms equal 1/y then three terms won't equal 1/y
when y is not the total of all of them but of 2 of them
I think you have to set up ratios. I'd write an equation for Cody and Kaitlyn first and relate one to the other
FOr instance, Kaitlyn does it 3/4 as fast as Cody.
mmm is confusing huh. a real math problem
i know i was thinking about it too but we don't know that that would be like a guess
i think i got it mm let me write it down
no nvm...
\[C+K+J=t\]Cody, Kaitlyn, Joseph's time = total project time. we know \[{3 \over 4}C=K\]so the equation becomes \[C + {3 \over 4}C+J=t\]\[{7 \over 4}C+J=t\]
where do the 7/4 comes from?
I added C to 3/4 C. So 4/4 + 3/4 = 7/4
I'm thinking on where to go from here still. This is kinda tricky
ohh i see i see and ummm it i tricky. is complicated
idk man... this is breaking my head. backward i think it would be even more complicated
question is it poissible to add 1/8 + 1/6 + 1/x? if so x would be the total, then we would set up an equation 1/x - 1/8 - 1/6 = 1/J substituting x for the answer we got before
idk that what i came up with. but idk if its possible to add 1/8 + 1/6 + 1/x
x would be the total of three of them and J the total of joseph..?
I see what you're thinking. But why are you putting 1 over everything
because they need to complete 1 project and 8, 6, and x is the amount of time you know? 1/8 i project in 8hrs 1/6 is 1 project in 6hrs we need to find how long does joseph takes to get done 1 poject 1/x
I would let the rates at which they work be denoted \(c, k, j\).
We know \[ 8c = 6k \]
We assume that they work at constant rates, and when they work together the combined rate is just the sum of their rates (so they don't get in each other's way). It's not completely realistic but for this problem it will do.
Suppose it takes \(t\) hours for them to finish when working together. This means we have: \[ t(c+k+j) = 8c=6k \]
but then what would J be? if we were to substitue values we woudlnt eb able to substitue J
We don't actually want \(j\). We want \(n\) (number of hours) such that: \[ nj = 8c=6k \]
And weirdly enough, we're supposed to get \(n\) in terms of \(t\).
n in terms of t? that doesn't sound right
Well, the only information that needs to be disclosed, according to the question, is \(t\) the time it takes for all three of them to complete the landscaping.
\[ k = \frac{4}{3}c \]And \[ j = \frac{8}{n}c \]
So we have: \[ t\left(\frac{8}{n}c+\frac{4}{3}c+c\right) = 8c \]
i see i see/ so next step would be what..? distributive property?
so you understand what I've done so far?
yes kinda. i just dont get why it all equals 8c in your equation
Okay, so let's introduce units then...
Let \(L\) be the unit representing landscaping projects. Also \(h\) is hours. The speed of people's work is measured at a rate of \(L/h\).
yes thats better
It takes Cathy \(8h\) to complete \(1L\) so she works at a rate of \((1/8) L/h\)
We could say \(k = 1/8\).
yes i understand that part and it takes cody 6hr so its 1/6 right? and im guessing joseph is 1/x
Yeah, for her it is \(1/6\)
or 1/h
We say Joseph is \(1/x\)
ok 1/x. what about all of them together?
However, if we want an actual equation... we would say this: \[ 1L = k(6h) = c(8h) =jx \]
ohh now i get it now i get it
And the final equation is that if it takes \(t\) time for all of them to complete together, then we say: \[ t(k+c+j) = 1L = (8h)c \]
Now, from here on out we can not include units since we don't need them.
ok so what would be th enext step int he eqaution?
\[ t\left(\frac{8}{n}c+\frac{4}{3}c+c\right) = 8c \]
Simplify
okok hold on i got a notebook with me
wait. im confuse now. how do we simplify that?
Add like terms.
What is \(3a + 6a\)?
9a
so i add whats in the parenthesis?
Yes
\[\frac{ 12 }{ 3n }c\] Maybe?
There should be \(n\) in the numerator as well.
ohh okok hold on
so \[\frac{ 28n }{ 3n }c\]
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Nope, it would help to see your work.
\[\frac{ 8 }{ n}c (\frac{ 3 }{ 3 }) + \frac{ 4 }{ 3 } (\frac{ n }{ n }) + c\]
thats the parenthesis. i multiplied by the reciprocal.. ?
@wio
Okay first thing is first...
\[ \frac 8n+\frac 43 \]
reciprocal?
No, just add them
okok 12/3n
\[ \frac ab +\frac cd = \frac{ad+bc}{bd} \]
\[\frac{ 24 + 4n }{ 3n }\]
nono sorry got confuse
is it like that?
@wio ?
sorry if im bugging, is the last question for a test and ive been for 2hrs on it already..
let me see
Now you must add \(1\) to the fraction.
add 1 to the fraction? i dont understand
\[\frac{ 24 + 4n }{ 3n } + 1c\] ?
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