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OpenStudy (lukecrayonz):

I need someone with statistics to help me with Central Limit Theory! :)

OpenStudy (lukecrayonz):

I was given this Excel sheet and I need to answer: "Follow the directions on the CLT discovery spreadsheet found in the Course Handouts folder. For your first post, complete the following sentence: "As the sample size increases, the mean tends to __________ and the standard deviation tends to ________.""

OpenStudy (lukecrayonz):

@thomaster

OpenStudy (lukecrayonz):

@wolfe8

OpenStudy (lukecrayonz):

when I delete K1 I go from 4.22 to 4.75 in Mean of the Sample Means When I do it again, i get 4.785 4.775 4.35 4.38 4.4 4.33 4.42

OpenStudy (lukecrayonz):

The thing is, it changes everytime I close and open the program lol

OpenStudy (lukecrayonz):

@ganeshie8

OpenStudy (lukecrayonz):

@timo86m haha i'm tagging everyone please help D:

OpenStudy (lukecrayonz):

4.42 is first, 4.61 then 4.235

OpenStudy (lukecrayonz):

@Mertsj @precal

OpenStudy (mertsj):

Sorry. Not a statistics person.

OpenStudy (lukecrayonz):

Do you know anyone who is?:P haha

OpenStudy (lukecrayonz):

@Luigi0210

OpenStudy (lukecrayonz):

@aaronq

OpenStudy (lukecrayonz):

@jim_thompson5910 :DDD please help

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

in each column A and B, there's the defined formula =INT(10*RAND()) so that means you'll have a random integer from 0 to 10 that's why it changes everytime you open the program

OpenStudy (lukecrayonz):

Okay :O So then when I press del in K1, how does the mean changing mean anything?

OpenStudy (lukecrayonz):

Because to answer the question of the mean increase or decrease, how could random numbers mean anything?

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

I'm not sure what you're asking

OpenStudy (lukecrayonz):

Okay wait I think I'm getting it lol.

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

and I think you meant to say "sample size increase"

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

because that's what it says above

OpenStudy (lukecrayonz):

There's multiple pages, Sized 2, 3, 5, 7, and 10 Samples

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

oh just noticed that

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

so as n increases, what's going on with the shape of the distribution?

OpenStudy (lukecrayonz):

Hmm, it's kinda strange honestly.. There doesn't seem to be any kind of universal answer

OpenStudy (lukecrayonz):

This is sized 2 samples

OpenStudy (lukecrayonz):

These are new numbers BTW so no longer refer to those posted before :P

OpenStudy (lukecrayonz):

Sized 3 samples

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

yeah it's randomly generated

OpenStudy (lukecrayonz):

sized 5

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

despite this randomness, the sample means will fit a pattern if you have a very large sample size

OpenStudy (lukecrayonz):

Right so when N gets large enough, it'll become a regular model

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

what's another name for "regular"

OpenStudy (lukecrayonz):

Bell shaped? Evenly distributed?

OpenStudy (lukecrayonz):

Sized 10 samples

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

what else

OpenStudy (lukecrayonz):

Gaussian? :P

OpenStudy (lukecrayonz):

standard? Idk there's a lot of names=[

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

I'm thinking of "normal" or "normal distribution" but yes, there are a lot of ways to describe this distribution

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

as n increases, this distribution becomes more symmetrical about the mean and becomes more like a normal bell shaped curve

OpenStudy (lukecrayonz):

As the sample size increases, the mean tends to __________ and the standard deviation tends to ________.

OpenStudy (lukecrayonz):

So as the sample size increases, the mean tends to distribute normally and the standard deviation tends to decrease.

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

hmm well it depends on the context really in this case, we have a uniform random variable from 0 to 10, so the mean is (0+10)/2 = 5 notice how as n increases, the mean of the sample means is approaching 5 if n was very very large, then the mean would effectively be 5

OpenStudy (lukecrayonz):

Well the mean of sized 10 samples is 4.368 and sized 7 is 4.45

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

4.45 is a bit off from 5, but that's because our sample size is relatively small

OpenStudy (lukecrayonz):

But how come it goes down when it hits 10?

OpenStudy (lukecrayonz):

http://puu.sh/7gPiR.png

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

well it's going to vary around 5 (both above and below it) it will get closer and closer to 5 as n gets bigger

OpenStudy (lukecrayonz):

So: As the sample size increases, the mean tends to __________ and the standard deviation tends to ________.

OpenStudy (lukecrayonz):

the mean tends to approach 5 and the standard deviation decreases?

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

the standard deviation is a bit harder to explain the numbers are drawn from a uniform random distribution (basically any number from 0 to 10 goes and each has an equal chance)

OpenStudy (lukecrayonz):

That makes sense but no matter how the numbers change, the standard deviation decreases as n increases

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

hmm one sec

OpenStudy (lukecrayonz):

Oh wait! I finally got one where sized 5 samples was smaller than sized 7

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

I think I found a formula \[\Large s = \sqrt{\frac{1}{12}(b-a)^2}\] but it doesn't seem to be working though

OpenStudy (lukecrayonz):

Haha, that's always great

OpenStudy (lukecrayonz):

=STDEV(I4:I103)

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

yeah that computes the standard deviation from i4 to i103

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

but I'm looking for a basic general formula that the standard deviation is approaching

OpenStudy (lukecrayonz):

>_< Haha

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

sadly I couldn't find anything, so I'm not sure what to do with that part

OpenStudy (lukecrayonz):

should I just say decreases and hope for the best?

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

it does look like it decreases, but I'm not sure if that's what they want

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