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OpenStudy (anonymous):

QUESTION ABOUT PULLEYS AND CRATES

OpenStudy (anonymous):

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Ahahaha, let's see.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

It says the start at rest, so both will have 0 kinetic energy.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

since \(KE = \frac 12 mv^2 = \frac 12 m(0)^2 = 0\)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

In both cases, \(PE = mgh\), however we know that for the second crate has \(h=0\) so \(PE = 0\). For the first crate, we don't know the height, but we do know the \(m\) and \(g\) so we plug them in to be more precise.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

im actually on part (d) so...... im lookin for (V)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

okay, can you find the potential energy of \(m_1\) then?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Then find the potential energy of \(m_2\) once it reaches the same height.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

is there such thing as V= \[\sqrt{gh}\]..like v= \[\sqrt{2gh}\] but without the 2

OpenStudy (anonymous):

The difference would have to be the energy that remains in kinetic energy.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Well use \[ KE = \frac 12mv^2\implies v = \sqrt{\frac{2KE}{m}} \]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

m being the total mass?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

To get KE, you need to find Initial total energy, which is PE of \(m_1\). Final total energy, which is PE of \(m_2\) and KE of \(m_1\). KE of \(m_1\) is what you use.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

..... Okay, what is the total energy at the start before anything falls?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

0?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

No, at the start one of the boxes has potential energy.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

265 J

OpenStudy (anonymous):

PE of m1 is 402

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Ok, when m1 is at the ground, what is the PE of m2?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

i really don't know.....

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Well, you know it will be as high as m1 used to be.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

you also know m2 and g... so you can calculate it.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

137.34

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Okay, so the kinetic energy of m1 is whatever energy remains once you take away the potential energy of m2 from the initial total energy

OpenStudy (anonymous):

265?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Yes. That should be the total kinetic energy of both masses.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

So now, we use the formula I showed you earlier to find the velocity of the masses

OpenStudy (anonymous):

so V= \[\sqrt{2(295}/55 ?\]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

yeah, try it see what you get

OpenStudy (anonymous):

not 5

OpenStudy (ybarrap):

Total Energy Before (b) = Total Energy After (a) $$ PE_1^b+PE_2^b+KE_1^b+KE_2^b=PE_1^a+PE_2^a+KE_1^a+KE_2^a\\ PE_1^b=35\times9.81\times 2.2=755.37~Joules\\ PE_2^b=0~Joules\\ KE_1^b=0~Joules\\ KE_2^b=0~Joules\\ PE_1^a=0~Joules\\ PE_2^a=14\times9.81\times 2.2=302.148~Joules\\ KE_1^a=\cfrac{1}{2}m_1v^2=\cfrac{1}{2}35\times v^2~Joules\\ KE_1^a=\cfrac{1}{2}m_2v^2=\cfrac{1}{2}14\times v^2~Joules\\ $$ So, $$ PE_1^b+PE_2^b+KE_1^b+KE_2^b=PE_1^a+PE_2^a+KE_1^a+KE_2^a\\ 755.37=302.148+\left (\cfrac{35}{2}+7\right )v^2\\ \implies v=\sqrt{\cfrac{755.37-302.148}{\cfrac{35}{2}+7}}=4.30~m/s $$ Hope this makes sense.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

nevermind...... their was a confusion between two similar questions I had, but yes, 4.30 is the answer.... THANK YOU!!! @ybarrap

OpenStudy (ybarrap):

Here is a way to check that our anwer of 4.30 m/s is correct. |dw:1394413495453:dw| Summing forces in the y-direction for each FBD we get $$ 35g-T=35a\\ T-14g=14a $$ Once you get a, the acceleration of the blocks, use $$ v^2=2as\\ v=\sqrt{2as} $$ Where s=2.2. This is just another way to check. Good Luck!

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