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OpenStudy (anonymous):

How do I solve \(y=x^x\) for \(x\)?

OpenStudy (oidbio):

that is not the answer

OpenStudy (anonymous):

you're going to maybe use logarithmic on this one

OpenStudy (anonymous):

I can't get past \(\ln{y} = x\ln{x}\) if I do that.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

take the derivative of x ln (x)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

This isn't a limit, I don't see any justification for taking a derivative of either side.

OpenStudy (oidbio):

if you take the derivative, you can isolate y and you already have y' in terms of x from calculus

OpenStudy (anonymous):

@ganeshie8 @wio summoning the demi-gods of math

OpenStudy (oidbio):

y= y'/(ln(x)+1)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

How would that find \(x\) though?

OpenStudy (oidbio):

whoops sorry...wrong way

OpenStudy (anonymous):

try its roots, it might reveal something

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

wats wrong in using linear approximation/newton's method as suggested by celestial/oidbio ?

OpenStudy (oidbio):

x= e^(y'/y - 1)

OpenStudy (oidbio):

and replace y with x^x and replace y' with the derivative of x^x

OpenStudy (anonymous):

@ganeshie8 The goal was to solve for \(x\), not approximate particular values.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

you can't solve for a specific value of x because they are place holder the closest you can get to a numerical value is the euler's constant

OpenStudy (oidbio):

y' = (ln(x)+1)*x^x

OpenStudy (anonymous):

@celestialdictator By solve for \(x\) I meant isolate \(x\).

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

then we will have to define a new function : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lambert_W_function

OpenStudy (oidbio):

Yeah...no

OpenStudy (oidbio):

well x is a function of y and y'

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Well that's interesting.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

check example 3 of what ganeshie posted

OpenStudy (anonymous):

you can have an infinite x^x^x^x^x...

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

yeah im also seeing these for the first time... x^x= y \(x = e^{W(ln y)}\)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

then proceed with example 4, which what you were shown just now

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

look at 2nd reply http://math.stackexchange.com/questions/50316/xx-y-how-to-solve-for-x

OpenStudy (anonymous):

I'm surprised that this can't be handled with normal functions given how simple it seems.

OpenStudy (oidbio):

It's not that simple because x is operating on itself so any normal inverse would involve x as well.

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