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OpenStudy (anonymous):

Trigonometry help?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

what is your question?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Any help is appreciated

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Great, I don't give answers just explanations :) Nice to meet you

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Nice to meet you too :)

OpenStudy (jdoe0001):

there are 60 minutes on the dial there are 360 degrees per circle so.... how many degreee is 1 minute?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

6?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

yes

OpenStudy (jdoe0001):

\(\bf \cfrac{360d}{60m}\implies 6\frac{d}{m} \\ \quad \\ radians =\cfrac{degrees\cdot \pi}{180}\implies \cfrac{6\cdot \pi}{180}\implies \cfrac{\pi}{30}\)

OpenStudy (jdoe0001):

so... from 3:35 to 3:55 it went 20mins or 20 * that much in radians

OpenStudy (anonymous):

120 degrees=2pi/3 radians. Correct?

OpenStudy (jdoe0001):

yes

OpenStudy (jdoe0001):

\(\bf 20\cdot \cfrac{\pi}{30}\implies \cfrac{\cancel{20}\pi}{\cancel{30}}\implies \cfrac{2\pi}{3}\)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Ok so part one is solved. For part 2 how do I determine how far the tip of the minute hand travels between 3:35 and 3:55?

OpenStudy (jdoe0001):

how far does the tip go? or.... what' the "arc" it makes? well, we know the hand minute is 6inches long and the angle it makes is \(\bf \cfrac{2\pi}{3}\) so \(\bf \textit{arc length}= s = r\theta\implies 6\cdot \cfrac{2\pi}{3}\)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

4pi?

OpenStudy (jdoe0001):

yes

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Give me a few minutes. I'm trying to see if I can get parts 3 and 4 on my own

OpenStudy (jdoe0001):

part 3 is more or less a given really

OpenStudy (anonymous):

I have no idea what to do

OpenStudy (jdoe0001):

hmm ... lemme see

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Ok

OpenStudy (jdoe0001):

I see the arc is \(3\pi\) long... ok so we know the minute tip moved form 0 to \(3\pi\) position, that is the arc moved that much along we know the radius is the same, 6 inches, the hand is not getting any longer =) so keep in mind that if the minute hand moved from 0 position to \(3\pi\) later it made an arc that is \(3\pi\) long thus \(\bf \textit{arc length}= s = r\theta\qquad s=3\pi\qquad r=6 \\ \quad \\ 3\pi = 6\cdot \theta\implies \cfrac{3\pi}{6}=\theta\)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

I went back to part 2 to convert it to degrees is 4pi radians really 720 degrees?

OpenStudy (jdoe0001):

yeap, keep in mind that \(\bf 360^o=2\pi\implies 360^o\cdot 2\implies 2\pi\cdot 2\)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

How can the tip of the minute hand travel 720 degrees in 20 minutes?

OpenStudy (jdoe0001):

haemm it doesn't

OpenStudy (jdoe0001):

ohhh wait... I see .... your issue

OpenStudy (jdoe0001):

the issue is the exercise is using radians for the angle made by the hand and ALSO using radians for the length of the arc it makes on the circle

OpenStudy (jdoe0001):

and yes, most of the time, you'd use radians mostly for angles, though they're not restricted to that only

OpenStudy (anonymous):

So the answer is still correct?

OpenStudy (jdoe0001):

\(\bf \textit{arc length}= s = r\theta\implies 6\cdot \cfrac{2\pi}{3}\implies 4\pi \approx 12.57\ inches\)

OpenStudy (jdoe0001):

the arc is measured in inches, since that's what we have for the length unit of the hand

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Ooooh, I see

OpenStudy (anonymous):

How would I find the coordinate point?

OpenStudy (jdoe0001):

lemme recheck stuff =)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Ok no problem

OpenStudy (jdoe0001):

anyhow...the values are correct... well.... how to get 4

OpenStudy (anonymous):

I'm not sure how to find a coordinate point on a unit circle

OpenStudy (jdoe0001):

the coordinates, that is the "x" and "y" for any point on the circle with an angle \(\theta\) are always at \(\bf [cos(\theta)\quad , \quad sin(\theta)]\)

OpenStudy (jdoe0001):

so.... \(\bf \textit{arc length}= s = r\theta\qquad s=3\pi\qquad r=6 \\ \quad \\ 3\pi = 6\cdot \theta\implies \cfrac{3\pi}{6}=\theta\iff \cfrac{\pi}{3}\quad at \quad \left[cos\left(\frac{\pi}{3}\right)\quad ,\quad sin\left(\frac{\pi}{3}\right)\right]\)

OpenStudy (jdoe0001):

I'd think your Unit Circle would have those values anyway, that's a pretty well known angle

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Isn't it 3pi/6 simplified as pi/2?

OpenStudy (jdoe0001):

ohh shoot... yes, just notice that =)

OpenStudy (jdoe0001):

\(\bf \textit{arc length}= s = r\theta\qquad s=3\pi\qquad r=6 \\ \quad \\ 3\pi = 6\cdot \theta\implies \cfrac{3\pi}{6}=\theta\iff \cfrac{\pi}{2}\quad at \quad \left[cos\left(\frac{\pi}{2}\right)\quad ,\quad sin\left(\frac{\pi}{2}\right)\right]\)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Ok awesome. You were a TREMENDOUS help. I'm giving you best response right now

OpenStudy (jdoe0001):

yw

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