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OpenStudy (anonymous):
8e^x + 4 lnx^3. Find the derivative.
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OpenStudy (kc_kennylau):
Let's do it part by part :)
OpenStudy (anonymous):
ok! thanks
OpenStudy (kc_kennylau):
What's the derivative of 8e^x? :)
OpenStudy (anonymous):
8 or just 8e^x ;-/
OpenStudy (kc_kennylau):
It's 8e^x because e^x doesn't change :)
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OpenStudy (kc_kennylau):
Note that the derivative of 8x would be 8 though
OpenStudy (anonymous):
would any of the rules apply? like chain rule? no product or quotient because its not multiplication or a fraction, right?
OpenStudy (anonymous):
ok, noted.
OpenStudy (kc_kennylau):
Not any of the rules that you've learnt would apply to e^x, so you only have to memorize it by heart :)
OpenStudy (anonymous):
I meant apply to the original problem?
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OpenStudy (kc_kennylau):
Well, you can treat it as (8e^x)' = 8(e^x)' = 8e^x Then you'd have applied the "multiplication by constant" rule
OpenStudy (kc_kennylau):
I mean \(\Large\frac d{dx}8e^x=8\frac d{dx}e^x=8e^x\)
OpenStudy (anonymous):
ok!
OpenStudy (anonymous):
what about the other part of the original question?
OpenStudy (kc_kennylau):
Should we proceed to the second part?
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OpenStudy (kc_kennylau):
Oh
OpenStudy (kc_kennylau):
Let's proceed to the second part :)
OpenStudy (anonymous):
ok :-)
OpenStudy (kc_kennylau):
What's the derivative of 4lnx^3?
OpenStudy (anonymous):
I'm not positive how to go about finding the derivative for this part
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
use power rule?
OpenStudy (kc_kennylau):
Power rule is not applicable to this problem :)
OpenStudy (kc_kennylau):
Don't forget that ln x^n = nlnx
OpenStudy (anonymous):
so 3lnx
OpenStudy (kc_kennylau):
Don't forget the 4 in front of it :)
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
multiply? 12lnx... Im probably making stuff up...i tend to create my own math :-(
OpenStudy (kc_kennylau):
Yep that's correct, let's now proceed to the derivative :)
OpenStudy (anonymous):
yay!
OpenStudy (kc_kennylau):
What's the derivative of 12lnx? :)
OpenStudy (anonymous):
would it be 12? because derivative of lnx =1?
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OpenStudy (kc_kennylau):
Derivative of lnx isn't 1 :/
OpenStudy (anonymous):
;-(
OpenStudy (anonymous):
I'm not sure then
OpenStudy (kc_kennylau):
It's 1/x, memorize this :)
OpenStudy (anonymous):
so then it would be 12/x?
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OpenStudy (kc_kennylau):
Exactly :)
OpenStudy (kc_kennylau):
Now let's add the result of the first part and the result of the second part together :)
OpenStudy (anonymous):
ok
OpenStudy (anonymous):
8e^x + 12/x, right or no?
OpenStudy (kc_kennylau):
Perfect :D
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
you are awesome!
OpenStudy (anonymous):
Can i trouble for help with two more? if not, no worries. I just have to run home and then hop back on
OpenStudy (kc_kennylau):
Sure! :)
OpenStudy (anonymous):
Find the derivative ln(ln7x).
OpenStudy (kc_kennylau):
Chain rule is the way to go :)
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
I was thinking chain rule but ln is not a function by itself
OpenStudy (kc_kennylau):
ln is a function by itself
OpenStudy (anonymous):
omg..i think my teacher may be wrong then.
OpenStudy (anonymous):
so u=ln7x
u'= ln(u)
OpenStudy (kc_kennylau):
Does the apostrophe mean derivative of?
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
yes
OpenStudy (kc_kennylau):
Then how would u' be equal to ln(u)
OpenStudy (kc_kennylau):
y=ln(u) though
OpenStudy (anonymous):
the problem says find f'x for f(x)=ln(ln7x)
OpenStudy (kc_kennylau):
Okay I mean f(x)=ln(u)
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OpenStudy (kc_kennylau):
Where u=ln(7x)
OpenStudy (kc_kennylau):
Now find f'(x) :)
OpenStudy (anonymous):
Ok, I'm thinking f'(x) of ln7x is 7/x, right or wrong?
OpenStudy (kc_kennylau):
Wrong
OpenStudy (anonymous):
wait, it would be 1/x
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OpenStudy (kc_kennylau):
1. There's no such thing as f'(x) of ln7x because f(x) is already defined to be ln(ln(7x))
OpenStudy (kc_kennylau):
2. Yep it's 1/x
OpenStudy (anonymous):
are you a math teacher? :-)
OpenStudy (kc_kennylau):
No, I'm Form 3 (grade 9 in US educational system)
OpenStudy (kc_kennylau):
I'm probably younger than you lol
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
no way! so youre like how old?
OpenStudy (kc_kennylau):
14 years old :)
OpenStudy (anonymous):
lol! i feel like such an idiot now. yowza! i am in pre-calc for college. *puts head down in disgrace*
OpenStudy (kc_kennylau):
xD
OpenStudy (anonymous):
ok, back to original problem...
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OpenStudy (kc_kennylau):
Find f'(x) :)
OpenStudy (kc_kennylau):
\[\frac d{dx}\ln(\ln(7x))=\frac d{d\ln(7x)}\ln(\ln(7x))\times\frac d{dx}\ln(7x)\]
OpenStudy (anonymous):
that looks like a foreign language to me... sigh ok, let me try
OpenStudy (anonymous):
the ds cancel out, and youre left with 1/ln(7x)
OpenStudy (kc_kennylau):
No the ds don't cancel out
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
darnit
OpenStudy (kc_kennylau):
\(\dfrac d{dx}g(x)\) means \(g'(x)\)
OpenStudy (kc_kennylau):
The ds are just notation
OpenStudy (anonymous):
oh i see i do remember seeing that
OpenStudy (anonymous):
1/ln(7x) and im stuck now
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OpenStudy (kc_kennylau):
\[[f(g(x)]'=f'(g(x))\times g'(x)\]
OpenStudy (kc_kennylau):
u(x)=ln(7x)
v(x)=ln(x)
f(x)=v(u(x)
OpenStudy (kc_kennylau):
f'(x) = [v(u(x))]' = v'(u(x)) * u'(x)
OpenStudy (anonymous):
so 1/x (ln(7x)) * u'(x).....I know im prolly not getting it :-(
u'(x)=1/x
OpenStudy (kc_kennylau):
For example, \(\sin(5x)'=\cos(5x)\times5\)
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OpenStudy (kc_kennylau):
For example, \(\cos(\sqrt x)'=-\sin(\sqrt x)\times\dfrac1{2\sqrt x}\)
OpenStudy (anonymous):
1/ln(7x) * (1/7x)= 1/7xlnx, correct or no?
OpenStudy (kc_kennylau):
It's not 1/7x
OpenStudy (anonymous):
right you said that, excuse my brain! its 1/ln(7x) * (1/x)= 1/7xlnx
OpenStudy (kc_kennylau):
Again, it's not 1/7x
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
:-/ ok, give me sec
OpenStudy (kc_kennylau):
The part to the left of the equal sign is correct
OpenStudy (anonymous):
ok, so does it get simplified further or no? 1/ln(7x) * (1/7x), can I leave it as is?
OpenStudy (anonymous):
i meant 1/x* sorry
OpenStudy (kc_kennylau):
\[\frac1{\ln(7x)}\times\frac1x=?\]
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
1/ ln (7x) (x), im not sure if i should square x
OpenStudy (kc_kennylau):
Perfect
OpenStudy (anonymous):
yay! so f'(x) of f(x) =ln(ln7x)= 1/ ln (7x) (x)