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OpenStudy (lukecrayonz):

Null and alternative hypotheses help! :)

OpenStudy (lukecrayonz):

What is the null and alt. hypothesis of the mean amount of soup in a particular sized can is at least 16 ounces

OpenStudy (lukecrayonz):

@jim_thompson5910

OpenStudy (lukecrayonz):

1. H0 ≥ 16 Ha < 16

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

\(H_0 : \) mean = 16 \(H_A : \) mean >= 16

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

Null hypothesis MUST always have an "equal" sign

OpenStudy (lukecrayonz):

Wait why is it equal to and not greater than? It says at least 16, so it has to be 16 or more

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

think of it like this : you're claiming the soup will be more than 16 ounces, so you need to prove it- hence it becomes Alternate hypothesis

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

And since NULL hypothesis must stick to some equality, you would assume that the mean stays fixed at 16, and conduct ur hypothesis testing

OpenStudy (lukecrayonz):

Hmm.. I guess that makes sense. 2. The majority of people in the 18-29 age bracket voted in the last presidential election.

OpenStudy (lukecrayonz):

Not 100% sure on this one because it has two numbers

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

Is that the entire question given ? no other info provided ?

OpenStudy (lukecrayonz):

No other info

OpenStudy (lukecrayonz):

We can skip it for now :) 3. Salaries among female business analysts have a standard deviation greater than $3000.

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

No wait, lets do 2. first

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

these are easy actually

OpenStudy (lukecrayonz):

I just don't understand because of 18-29

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

2. The majority of people in the 18-29 age bracket voted in the last presidential election. \(H_0\) : All people of ages between 18->100 voted at equal % \(H_A\) : Majority of ppl between 18 to 29 have voted

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

3. Salaries among female business analysts have a standard deviation greater than $3000. \(H_0\) : standard deviation of salaries of female business analysts = $3000 \(H_A\) : standard deviation > $3000

OpenStudy (lukecrayonz):

Wait, can you explain 2? o.O

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

I would like to change 2

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

2. The majority of people in the 18-29 age bracket voted in the last presidential election. \(H_0\) : 50% of ppl between 18 to 29 have voted \(H_A \): more than 50% ppl between 18 to 29 have voted

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

see if it makes sense now^

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

you're claiming that majority of ppl between ages 18 and 29 have voted, so the alternative hypotheises becomes > 50% of ppl between 18 and 29 years have voted

OpenStudy (lukecrayonz):

It's just weird because 18-29 isn't a variable but you can imagine it being

OpenStudy (lukecrayonz):

The type I and Type II errors associated with these claims: According to a recent study, 50% of all American carry a variant of a gene that increases the risk of diabetes

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

Type 1 error : when innocent person gets punished Type 2 error : when a criminal escapes

OpenStudy (lukecrayonz):

That.. actually helps a lot haha

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

in the present context : Type 1 error : A person without that " bad gene" to be labelled as having that "bad gene"

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

Type 2 error : A person having that " bad gene" in real to be labelled as NOT having that "bad gene"

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

see if that looks okay

OpenStudy (lukecrayonz):

It does! :)

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

good :)

OpenStudy (lukecrayonz):

Hmm I'm looking at my classmates answers and they all have null hypotheses with H0>=16

OpenStudy (lukecrayonz):

H0: μ ≥ 12. Ha: μ < 12. is what they have. Are they just all doing it wrong with null and they don't know you can't have that?

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

from where 12 is coming from ?

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

lol they must have copied the answers from the same site,

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

have a look at my notes

OpenStudy (kirbykirby):

The null hypothesis need not always be " ="

OpenStudy (kirbykirby):

You an have a Ho vs Ha hypothesis that is composite vs composite

OpenStudy (kirbykirby):

can have*

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

yes you're right ! it can have <= or >= but it cannot have only < or >

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

but im not so much sure about allowing <= or >= into NULL, as the examples i did in my course are always dealing with "="

OpenStudy (kirbykirby):

Well I have seen such examples. I had a stats class on estimation and hypothesis testing and we saw examples such as \(H_0: \theta \ge \theta_0 \text{ vs. }H_1: \theta < \theta_0\)

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

ohkay then fine !

OpenStudy (kirbykirby):

I guess they are just not that common though in actual examples. We mostly derived "theoretical" results in hypothesis testing, but yeah in most examples you see it is common to see a null hypothesis testing for some parameter to be equal = to something.

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

i hope so, and i trust you more than my professor lol I remember she saying "we cannot have an inequality in null hypothesis".. let me pull up the video ....

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

looks the video is not public, however here is the lecture slides : https://d396qusza40orc.cloudfront.net/statistics/lecture_slides/unit3/u3_p3_2_hyp_test_mean.pdf

OpenStudy (kirbykirby):

Hmm interesting hehe! Yeah I am looking through my notes now and we definitely had at least 4 examples with an inequality in the null hypothesis ;P

OpenStudy (kirbykirby):

I don't have slides for my notes, but a quick google search revealed these notes, which also have inequalitie sin some null hypotheses: http://www.tsc.uc3m.es/~fernando/Feb16a.pdf

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

or maybe my professor is spoonfeeding us in the start, so that we get the general idea of hypothesis testing... and may cover up the details later... not sure... i have posted this question in the discussion forum , wil wait for her response :)

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

composite hypothesis testing doesnt look familiar to meh... looks we havent covered this yet

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