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OpenStudy (ksaimouli):

proof

OpenStudy (ksaimouli):

show that the osculating plane r(t)=<t+2,1-t,.5t^2> at every point on the curve is the same plane

OpenStudy (ksaimouli):

@phi

OpenStudy (phi):

just to clarify, is r(t) the curve ?

OpenStudy (ksaimouli):

yes

OpenStudy (phi):

\[ r(t)= <t+2, 1-t, \frac{t^2}{2}>? \]

OpenStudy (ksaimouli):

yes

OpenStudy (anonymous):

\[r(t)=,2+t,1-t,\frac{t^2}{2}\\r'(t)=<1,-1,t>\] we need to find the vector equation of the tangent line to the curve at a general point,and show that it depends on only two variables

OpenStudy (ksaimouli):

any point?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

they said at every point ,we can chooose \(P(x_0,y_0,z_0)\)

OpenStudy (ksaimouli):

so,T= (x0,y0,z0)+t<1,-1,t>

OpenStudy (anonymous):

i think theres a better way to do this,this is not the best way to do it...i was just making an observation

OpenStudy (ikram002p):

but why u took tangent ? i mean osculating plane is not the same as tangent

OpenStudy (ikram002p):

u need to find a plane s.t all point of r(t) lies on it

OpenStudy (ikram002p):

if there exist such a plane then its called osculating plane...

OpenStudy (ikram002p):

try to sketch r(t)

OpenStudy (ikram002p):

the problem is its bretty easy but i gtg sry xD

OpenStudy (anonymous):

osculating plane :r'(t)×r''(t)

OpenStudy (phi):

see http://www.encyclopediaofmath.org/index.php/Osculating_plane plug into their formula and you get an equation of a plane independent of t

OpenStudy (ksaimouli):

we need to work with unit vectors right?

OpenStudy (phi):

\[\left| \begin{matrix}x - (t+2) & y-(1-t) & z - \frac{ t^2 }{ 2 } \\ 1 & -1 & t \\ 0 & 0 & 1\end{matrix} \right|=0\]

OpenStudy (ksaimouli):

Is that determinant ?

OpenStudy (phi):

yes. But I have not studied this, so I am no help in explaining its derivation.

OpenStudy (ikram002p):

so the idea is finding a perpendiculer vector to r(t)

OpenStudy (ksaimouli):

@ikram002p how do u do that

OpenStudy (ksaimouli):

so, I need to find unit tangent and unit normal and cross them for point (x0,y0,z0)

OpenStudy (ikram002p):

unit tangent r'(t) / || r'(t)

OpenStudy (ksaimouli):

I got unit tangnt= \[<\frac{ 1 }{ \sqrt{t^2+2}},\frac{ -1 }{ \sqrt{t^2+2} },\frac{ t }{ \sqrt{t^2+2} }\]

OpenStudy (ikram002p):

\(\Huge \frac {r'(t)}{r'(t)}=\frac{<1,-1,10t>}{\sqrt {2+100t^2}} \)

OpenStudy (ksaimouli):

that is .5 not 5

OpenStudy (ikram002p):

sry dint see so that was T(t)

OpenStudy (ikram002p):

for normal vector \(\Huge N(t)= \frac {T'(t)}{T'(t)} \)

OpenStudy (ksaimouli):

okay so N(t) = \[<-t,t,2>\frac{ 1 }{ (t^2+2)^{3/2}}\]

OpenStudy (ksaimouli):

now need to find length of ^

OpenStudy (ikram002p):

it oonly need work !

OpenStudy (ksaimouli):

is there a shortcut to find length

OpenStudy (ikram002p):

lets try somthing like this \(\large ge T(t)\times N(t)=\) \(\Huge \frac {r'(t)}{||r'(t)||}\times \frac {T'(t)}{||T'(t)||} = \)

OpenStudy (ksaimouli):

to try that i need to get unit normal vector

OpenStudy (ikram002p):

no wait

OpenStudy (ikram002p):

im trying to find shortcuts

OpenStudy (ksaimouli):

I got \[<-t,t,2>\frac{ 1 }{ 2t+2}\]

OpenStudy (ksaimouli):

not sure

OpenStudy (ksaimouli):

@ikram002p or can u help me to evaluate the (phi's) determinant

OpenStudy (ksaimouli):

I am getting -x-y+3=0

OpenStudy (ksaimouli):

never mind got it

OpenStudy (ikram002p):

so what its is ?

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