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OpenStudy (anonymous):

Solve remaining angle, please help!

OpenStudy (anonymous):

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OpenStudy (mayaal):

Which angle is it?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

A B and C

OpenStudy (mayaal):

Well for this you will have to use the law of sines and cosines because its not a right triangle

OpenStudy (anonymous):

@douglaswinslowcooper

OpenStudy (anonymous):

law of cosines c^2 = a^2 + b^2- 2 a b cos C where a and b are on each side of angle C and c is opposite it. law of sines a/sinA = b/sinB=c/sinC

OpenStudy (anonymous):

I have not done it, so I cannot show you in detail, and I am leaving soon. Maybe another OSer will.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

@douglaswinslowcooper gave you the formula you need... \[c^{2}=a^{2}+b^{2}-2ab(\cos C)\] where a, b, and c are the sides of the triangle. find the angle C first, and then use the law of sines like before...

OpenStudy (anonymous):

yes I know the formula but I don;t know exactly how to find C. And I'm not sure which sides are which @mtbender74

OpenStudy (anonymous):

actually...they gave you the angle names...the side opposite the angle shares its name...side c is opposite angle C, and so on

OpenStudy (anonymous):

a=270, b=442.85, c=255

OpenStudy (anonymous):

is C is 255, A is 270 and B is 442.85

OpenStudy (anonymous):

oh ok I see. so what is the formula for finding C?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

sides are lowercase...angles are uppercase

OpenStudy (anonymous):

the law of cosines above.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

right but that uses Cos C which I don;t know

OpenStudy (anonymous):

that's what you solve for...get cos C by itself and then that the inverse cosine

OpenStudy (anonymous):

that will tell you the angle C. once you get one angle, use the law of sines to get another...then subtract from 180 (if using degrees) or pi (if using radians)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

How do I get C by itself? Do i say arcsin C= c^2…..

OpenStudy (anonymous):

once you plug in the values for the sides and do some simplification, you'll have cos C = some number.. let's say x C = cos^(-1) x where cos^(-1) is the inverse cosine function

OpenStudy (anonymous):

\[\cos C=\frac{a^{2}+b^{2}-c^{2}}{2ab}\] calculate the piece on the right and then plug it into your cacluator and hit the cos^(-1) button

OpenStudy (anonymous):

i'm going to be leaving very soon...i hate to do that to people, but i've got to get going...do you have a start on an answer?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

sort of hold on

OpenStudy (anonymous):

I know the equation but I can't seem to calculate it. cos c= 270^2 + 442.85^2 - 255^2 / 2(270)(442.85). what did you get

OpenStudy (anonymous):

that looks good...plug all of that into the calculator and what do you get? on the right side...

OpenStudy (anonymous):

its not letting me calculate for some reason

OpenStudy (anonymous):

1.48?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

no...calculate the squares and then use just those numbers (add and subtract and divide) as separate steps...

OpenStudy (anonymous):

i have to go...sorry... :(

OpenStudy (anonymous):

I tried that my calculator isn't working. Could you tell me what you got?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

I already know the equation

OpenStudy (anonymous):

i get 1.396 on the right...take the inverse cosine of that....and that is C

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Im just getting undefined

OpenStudy (anonymous):

try it using the calculator in windows....set the view to scientific...

OpenStudy (anonymous):

cos^-1 (1.396) = undefined

OpenStudy (acxbox22):

sorry...not good at trig and inverse functions

OpenStudy (anonymous):

ok

OpenStudy (anonymous):

yes, arc cos(1.36) is undefined because there is no angle that gives a cos value larger than 1 re-do your calculations

OpenStudy (mrnood):

@washcaps The error in your calculation is that you ADDED all three terms a^2+b^2+c^ It SHOULD be a^2+b^2-c^2 The 3rd term is subtracted.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

@douglaswinslowcooper I get 1.21955

OpenStudy (anonymous):

@mrnood

OpenStudy (anonymous):

@mathmale can you help? I know the formula but can't solve

OpenStudy (anonymous):

When I do the first portion of the formula I get 1.48

OpenStudy (mathmale):

Another student got to me first; I'll be with you as soon as I can.

OpenStudy (mathmale):

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OpenStudy (anonymous):

Right so arccos B= 270^2+255^2-442.85^2 - 2(270)(255)

OpenStudy (mathmale):

Please take another look at the Law of Cosines that I typed out for you just a minute back. To solve for cos B, you're going to have to do some division. I don't see any division in your tentative answer.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

sorry I meant arccos B= 270^2+255^2-442.85^2 / 2(270)(255)

OpenStudy (mathmale):

While I'm not checking every detail, that expression looks correct. Would you mind evaluating it? Since "degrees" are probably more familiar to you than are "radians," set your calculator to "degree" mode, if you haven't already done so.

OpenStudy (mathmale):

If your calculator is a TI-83 or -84, type in the following: \[2nd~\cos~(your~value~of~\cos~B)~ENTER\]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

1.48 radians so 84.8 degrees

OpenStudy (mathmale):

Again, I'm not doing the actual work, but that result appears to be reasonable.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

so do I do cos^-1(1.48)?

OpenStudy (mathmale):

You could check it by pretending that you don't know the value of b (the length of a side). Apply the Law of Cosines again: \[b^2=a^2+c^2-2(a)(b) \cos B\]

OpenStudy (mathmale):

where B is the angle that you've just found. If b turns out to be 442.85 or so, you'll know you're right.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

the problem is that Cos^-1(1.48) doesn't equal anything

OpenStudy (anonymous):

@mathmale

OpenStudy (mrnood):

270^2+255^2-442.85^2 / 2(270)(255) =-0.42259 B=arcos(-.42259) =115 deg Us sine rule for the other angle

OpenStudy (anonymous):

@MrNood so 115 degrees is the answer for B? how do I go onto finding C and A? I know use the sine rule, but how exactly do I set it up

OpenStudy (mathmale):

Once you have B, using the Law of Sines might be faster than using the Law of Cosines to find the remaining 2 angles.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

C=31.4575? I got this by doing C=sin^-1=255sin(115degrees) / 442.85

OpenStudy (mathmale):

I'm afraid not. Review the Law of Cosines and ensure that you've included EVERYTHING in that formula. Or, use the Law of Sines...you'll need to know this later anyway. Unfortunately, I need to get off the 'Net now. Might be back later.

OpenStudy (mrnood):

Once you have the angle B (I gave it to you above) you do not need the cosine rule Use the sine rule - you say you know it, so use it to find one of the other angles After that use the sum of angles = 180 to solve the third It is just 1 step you need to make for yourself -use the sine rule

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