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OpenStudy (akashdeepdeb):

Help needed. Intriguing Question this one. Q. attached.

OpenStudy (akashdeepdeb):

OpenStudy (akashdeepdeb):

@amistre64 @ganeshie8 @KingGeorge

OpenStudy (goformit100):

Try to change the given angles to Sub-multiple in the first step

OpenStudy (akashdeepdeb):

1/sin 9 ? 1/(2sin(4.5).cos(4.5)) ?

OpenStudy (goformit100):

Try doing that

OpenStudy (akashdeepdeb):

Okay. Then what?

OpenStudy (goformit100):

convert cos 9 also

OpenStudy (akashdeepdeb):

Which formula should i use? There are like 3 submultiple formulae for 'cosine'.

OpenStudy (goformit100):

@AkashdeepDeb I am unable to clarify. Please ask some one else. Sorry Yaar

OpenStudy (akashdeepdeb):

It's okay. :) Thanks for trying. @Hero ?

OpenStudy (mathmale):

To be honest, I don't see a quick and easy way to prove this. Here's what I've tried (or thought of) so far: 1) \[\frac{ 1 }{ \sin 9 }+\frac{ 1 }{ \cos 9 }=\frac{ \sin9 +\cos 9}{ \sin9\cos 9 }=\sqrt{m}+\sqrt{n}\] 2) Because sin 2x = 2 sin x cos x, 2 sin 9 cos 9 = sin 18. Therefore, \[\sin9\cos9=\sin (2*9)=\frac{ \sin18 }{ 2 }\]

OpenStudy (mathmale):

This is not necessarily the right thing to do, but it may help you get started. I find myself wondering whether there's an alternative way to write sin 9 + cos 9. Keep in mind that our end goal is to find the values of m and n, which must be positive integers.

OpenStudy (akashdeepdeb):

Okay, I guess then: \[\frac{2.sin 9}{sin 18} + \frac{2cos9}{sin 18}\] Now we cannot say that \[\sqrt{m} = \frac{2sin9}{sin 18} ~~~and~~~\sqrt{n} = \frac{2cos9}{cos18}\] right? :P

OpenStudy (akashdeepdeb):

If this is supposed to be an approximation, I think that should work out with m=1,n=4. But if it is supposed to be exact. It doesn't.

OpenStudy (akashdeepdeb):

Ooops..I meant to right sin 18 instead of cos 18 over there. :-)

OpenStudy (akashdeepdeb):

Okay no, then \(n\neq4\)

OpenStudy (mathmale):

My main suggestion at this point, Akashdeep, is that you find / obtain a table of trig identities and look for one or more that involves the Sqrt operator, as well as possibily half-angle or double-angles.

OpenStudy (mathmale):

\[\sqrt{m} = \frac{2\sin9}{\sin 18} ~~~and~~~\sqrt{n} = \frac{2\cos9}{\sin18}\] Here I've fixed your typo.

OpenStudy (akashdeepdeb):

Okay. I guess I'll try that then. Thanks for helping! :)

OpenStudy (mathmale):

Wish I could be of more help, but you sound very capable and I have faith in your ability to find a solution here. consider the slightly more general form\[\sqrt{m} = \frac{2sina}{\sin 2a} ~~~and~~~\sqrt{n} = \frac{2cosa}{\cos2a}\] as you look for identities that might apply here. Good luck, Akashdeep!

OpenStudy (akashdeepdeb):

@amistre64 @jim_thompson5910

OpenStudy (akashdeepdeb):

@phi @AravindG

OpenStudy (mathmale):

It's certainly worth trying alternative approaches, such as De Moivre's theorem or Euler's formula. In any case, spending some time doing that might very well turn out to be faster than waiting for help here on OpenStudy. I look forward to working with you again.

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

\[ \dfrac{1}{\sin 9} + \dfrac{1}{\cos 9} = \dfrac{2}{\sin 18} \left(\cos 9 + \sin 9\right) = \dfrac{2\sqrt{2}}{\sin 18} \left(\cos 9 \cos 45 + \sin 9 \sin 45\right) \\ =\dfrac{2\sqrt{2}}{\sin 18} \cos36 = \dfrac{2\sqrt{2}}{\sin 18} \sin(54) \\ =2\sqrt{2}\left(3-4\sin^218\right) = \cdots = \sqrt{18} + \sqrt{10} \]

OpenStudy (akashdeepdeb):

What are the steps in the "\(...\)" ?

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

that's for you to fill :) https://in.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20061025091609AASJNUn

OpenStudy (anonymous):

I think multiplying by 2 and dividing by 2 helps

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