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OpenStudy (anonymous):

Can somebody solve this complex numbers equation? |z-i| |z| = |z-i|^2

OpenStudy (anonymous):

It's modulus and not absolute value

OpenStudy (anonymous):

i can do it the donkey way, not sure if there is a snap way to do it or not

OpenStudy (vishweshshrimali5):

Put z = x+ iy and then square both sides and you will get your answer.

OpenStudy (dan815):

modulus meaning the argument?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

you can rewrite it as \[|z-i|=|z|\] so long as \(|z-i|\neq 0\)

OpenStudy (dan815):

what is modulus satellite? is it the mag of the radius from center?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

that means \[x^2+b^2=a^2+(b-1)^2\] or \[b^2=(b-1)^2\]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

yeah it is the absolute value i.e. \[|z|=\sqrt{a^2+b^2}\] where \(z=a+bi\)

OpenStudy (vishweshshrimali5):

See here: |x+iy - i||x+iy| = |x+iy-i|^2 => |x+ i(y-1)||x+iy| = |x+i(y-1)|^2 squaring both sides, you get, (x^2 + (y-1)^2)*(x^2 + y^2) = (x^2 + (y-1)^2)^2 => (x^2 + (y-1)^2)(x^2 + (y-1)^2 - x^2 - y^2) = 0 => (x^2 + (y-1)^2)(-2y+1)= 0 => (x^2 + (y-1)^2) = 0 or -2y + 1 = 0 Now, because both x^2 and (y-1)^2 are more than or equal to 0. So, for x^2 + (y-1)^2 = 0, x^2 = 0 and (y-1)^2 = 0 => x = 0 and y = 1 or, -2y +1 = 0 => y = 1/2 So the required answer will be z = i or x+(i/2). Now verify for these values of z.

OpenStudy (dan815):

okk gotcha

OpenStudy (anonymous):

so \[|z|=|z-i|\iff \sqrt{a^2+b^2}=\sqrt{a^2+(b-1)^2}\] making \[b^2=(b-1)^2\]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

that gives \[b^2=b^2-2b+1\\ -2b+1=0\\ b=\frac{1}{2}\]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

\[|z-i||z|=|z-i|^{2}\]

OpenStudy (dan815):

you do it the donkey way ill try polar

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Waiiiiit! The second member of the equation is squared!!!

OpenStudy (anonymous):

i just did it the donkey way i got \[Im (z)=\frac{1}{2}\]

OpenStudy (vishweshshrimali5):

You can also solve this in this way: |z−i||z|=|z−i|^2 => |z-i|(|z-i| - |z|) = 0 => |z-i| = 0 or |z-i| = |z| => the distance between point z and point (0,1) in argand plane is zero or z lies on perpendicular bisector of (0,1) and (0,0)

OpenStudy (vishweshshrimali5):

Which means that z = i (from first case) and z lies on line 2y = 1 (which is perpendicular bisector of (0,1) and (0,0))

OpenStudy (vishweshshrimali5):

This is the geometrical method and the previous one was the algebric method.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

@vishweshshrimali5 I get it now, but when I represent it on a graph i get an intersection of two geometric figures... how do i find their coordinates?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

|dw:1401253784015:dw|

OpenStudy (anonymous):

one is y= 1/2 and the other is x^2+y^2=0

OpenStudy (dan815):

nice viswesh

OpenStudy (anonymous):

it is not "and" it is "or"

OpenStudy (vishweshshrimali5):

Yes @satellite73 is correct it is not the intersection of curves but the union of 2 solution sets.

OpenStudy (vishweshshrimali5):

Thanks @dan815

OpenStudy (anonymous):

if \(|z-i|=0\) i.e. if \(z=i\) then \[|z-i||z|=0\] and \[|z-i|^2=0\]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

elswise \(Im(z)=\frac{1}{2}\)

OpenStudy (vishweshshrimali5):

Yup @satellite73 is exactly correct.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

but it's modulus and not absolute value so you should put it like this: |z-i|=0 \[\sqrt{x ^{2}+y ^{2}}\]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

\[x^{2}+y ^{2}=0\]

OpenStudy (vishweshshrimali5):

No No

OpenStudy (vishweshshrimali5):

You should remember that its modulus of z-i so if i assume z to be x+iy, then the new complex number will become, x+i(y-1) so you can put that x^2 + (y-1)^2 = 0

OpenStudy (anonymous):

ok, thanks.

OpenStudy (vishweshshrimali5):

These are the curves: |dw:1401254908803:dw| This marked point and the line both represent the solutions of the given equation.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Ok, thanks and where did you get from y=1?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Because if I put y=1/2 in the other equation I get x^2= -1/4

OpenStudy (vishweshshrimali5):

Oh that : we got one solution as z = i => im(z) = 1

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Sorry but I don't get it, could you explain more. And thank you for your patience

OpenStudy (vishweshshrimali5):

Just 1 min.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

ok

OpenStudy (vishweshshrimali5):

Hi I'm back

OpenStudy (vishweshshrimali5):

Okay see the following example: solve x(x^2-1) = 0

OpenStudy (vishweshshrimali5):

Can you tell me the required values of x

OpenStudy (vishweshshrimali5):

The values will be x = -1,0,1

OpenStudy (vishweshshrimali5):

Right ?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

wait

OpenStudy (anonymous):

yeah sorry I didn't see the other message

OpenStudy (anonymous):

I got it it's okay

OpenStudy (vishweshshrimali5):

So I represent only the solutions on the plane then I get the following graph: |dw:1401255955860:dw|

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Ok. But in our case how did you come up with z=i?? What passages did you do?

OpenStudy (vishweshshrimali5):

This graph only shows the solutions but if I draw the graph of the original function, x^3 - x = 0 |dw:1401256051540:dw|

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