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OpenStudy (anonymous):

Logarithms

mathslover (mathslover):

lol write the equation well this time :D

OpenStudy (kainui):

\[\log_{\log_{\log_{...}}} (\infty ^{\infty})=?\]

mathslover (mathslover):

0 I guess....

OpenStudy (anonymous):

\[\huge (0.5)^{\log_3\log_\frac{ 1 }{ 5 }\left( x ^{2}-\frac{ 4 }{ 5 } \right)} < 1\]

OpenStudy (kainui):

Sorry @mathslover I just made that up to joke around, I don't think it has an answer lol.

mathslover (mathslover):

lol... I just guessed :-P

mathslover (mathslover):

@No.name - You need to solve for x, right?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Yes

OpenStudy (kainui):

I have a hunch that rewriting .5 as 2^(-1) will help. I'm thinking still.

mathslover (mathslover):

that will help actually

mathslover (mathslover):

as , \(\log_{5^{-1}} (x^2 - \cfrac{4}{5}) = -1 \log _ {5} (x^2 - \cfrac{4}{5})\) so, \( (0.5)^{\log_3\log_\cfrac{ 1 }{ 5 }( x ^{2}-\cfrac{ 4 }{ 5 } )} < 1\) becomes : \((2) ^ {\log_3 \log_5 (x^2 - \cfrac{4}{5})} < 1\)

mathslover (mathslover):

We can also write it as : \((2) ^ {\log_3 \log_5 (x^2 - \cfrac{4}{5})} < 2^{0}\)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

then it would be solvable yes

OpenStudy (kainui):

\[.5^{\log_3(\log_{1/5}(x^2-4/5))}<1\]log base 1/2 to both sides\[\log_3(\log_{1/5}(x^2-4/5))<0\] Make both exponents of 3\[\log_{1/5}(x^2-4/5)<1\]Raise these as exponents of 1/5\[x^2-4/5<1/5\]Add 4/5 to both sides\[x^2<1\]x=1

OpenStudy (kainui):

x=-1* whoops

mathslover (mathslover):

That is what I got..

OpenStudy (anonymous):

yes , thanks

OpenStudy (kainui):

Turns out the whole 2^(-1) thing really didn't matter lol.

mathslover (mathslover):

@Kainui , when you take log base 1/2 in RHS, then shouldn't it be -1 (RHS)?

OpenStudy (kainui):

No, I don't think so, but I'm not sure if I know what you mean.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

(1/2)^0 = 1

OpenStudy (kainui):

looking back, I'm pretty sure this is a wrong statement: \[\log_{1/5}a=-\log_5a\] The rule I think you're thinking of is some combination of \[\log_ba=(\log_ca)/(\log_cb)\] and \[-\log(a)=\log(\frac{1}{a})\]

mathslover (mathslover):

Sorry, I got it...

OpenStudy (kainui):

All good haha no worries. =P

OpenStudy (anonymous):

(1/2)^0 =1

mathslover (mathslover):

but yeah, \(\log _{5^{-1}} (a) = -1 \log_{5} (a) \)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

That's what he means to say , so what was @mathslover 's problem , i didn't get

mathslover (mathslover):

I used base power rule... \(\log_{a^m} x = \cfrac{1}{m} \log_a x\)

OpenStudy (kainui):

No, you're saying: \[\log_{1/5}(x)=-\log_5(x)\] but what I'm saying is \[\log_{1/5}(x)=-\log_{1/5}(\frac{1}{x})\]

OpenStudy (kainui):

I'm pretty sure what you're saying isn't a rule, or maybe I'm tired... @_@

OpenStudy (anonymous):

It is a rule

OpenStudy (kainui):

Yeah, now I'm pretty sure my answer is wrong after plugging it in. -1 doesn't solve it.

mathslover (mathslover):

You're also right @Kainui with your second property. But, the first one you mentioned is actually a rule, one can use it directly like if you're supposed to find : \(\log_4 {16} = ?\) there will be 2 suitable methods : i) \(\log_4 {4^2} = 2 \log_4{4} = 2\) ii) \(\log_{2^2} {2^4} = \cfrac{1}{2} \log_2 {2^4} = 2 \log_2 2 = 2 \) Both works...

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Same thing written in two different forms

mathslover (mathslover):

Well, if I solve it in my way... I get \(x^2 < \cfrac{29}{5}\)

mathslover (mathslover):

\(2 ^{\log_3 \log_5 (x^2 - \cfrac{4}{5})} < 2^ 0\) Thus, \(\log_3 \log_5 ( x^2 - \cfrac{4}{5} ) < 0\) \(\log_5 ( x^2 - \cfrac{4}{5}) < 1\) \(x^2 - \cfrac{4}{5} < 5 \\ x^2 < \cfrac{29}{5} \)

hartnn (hartnn):

isn't x^2 < 1 mean x<1 and x >-1

OpenStudy (kainui):

Wow it's actually pretty easy to derive from the rules I put out there lol. I feel silly, I've never seen that rule ever before, weird. \[\log_{a^m}(x)=\frac{\log_{a}(x)}{\log_{a}(a^m)}=\frac{1}{m}\log_a(x)\] @hartnn Yeah, you're obviously completely right. I shouldn't be here lol.

mathslover (mathslover):

O.O then why am I getting a weird answer? will anyone help me to recognize the mistake in my soln?

OpenStudy (kainui):

I think your solution might be more right than mine is. I'm rethinking it, this is really weird hahahaha.

mathslover (mathslover):

:-)

OpenStudy (kainui):

Try plugging that in @mathslover and see if you get a correct answer out of it.

mathslover (mathslover):

k , will try that

mathslover (mathslover):

I tried for 29/5 that means, if I put any value *less than 29/5* then it will give result which will be \(\bf{<1}\) .

mathslover (mathslover):

that makes me little bit happy , I finally solved a logarithm question ... http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=2%5E%5Blog_3+%7Blog_5+%285-+4%2F5%29%7D%5D+%3D+

hartnn (hartnn):

math, you used 5 instead of 1/5

mathslover (mathslover):

o.O

mathslover (mathslover):

you made me feel bad again

mathslover (mathslover):

but, will that matter? as I used 2 instead of 1/2

mathslover (mathslover):

I think, I'm on a wrong track

OpenStudy (kainui):

Yeah, there's a bit of an error in your third step far, far above when removing the negative signs though.

OpenStudy (kainui):

So in the exponent of 2 we had \[-\log_3(-\log_5(x^2-4/5))\] but I don't think that those signs cancel each other out.

hartnn (hartnn):

kainui method is correct also i just realized, x^2 -4/5 say x = 0 it'll be -4/5 which is not allowed

mathslover (mathslover):

OH YES!

mathslover (mathslover):

|dw:1401537471189:dw| THanks @hartnn @Kainui and @No.name for this question.

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