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OpenStudy (anonymous):
the number of 3x3 non singular matrices with four entries as 1 and all other entries as 0 is
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
@ganeshie8 ?
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
@dan815 ?
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
@mathslover ?
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
@vishweshshrimali5 ?
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@Miracrown ?
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ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):
you cannot have a row or a column with all 0's
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
yes
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
total ways of filling all elements =9!/4!5!
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ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):
yes pick 4 elements from 9 :
9 choose 4
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
ways in which 0 occupies rows and colums=3C1*2
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ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):
may be we can try this :
(9 choose 4) - ( total number of ways of having all 0's in a line)
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
ways in which 0 occupies rows and colums=3C1*2?
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ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):
nope
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ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):
for example :
if u fill first row with "0 0 0" :
there will be (6 choose 4) different combinations for selecting 1's on remaining two row elements
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
there will be (6 choose 4) different combinations for selecting 1's on remaining two row elements??
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
@ganeshie8 ?
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
?
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OpenStudy (vishweshshrimali5):
@ganeshie8 Its not necessary that only matrices having only 0s in rows or columns will have zero determinant.
Like
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ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):
Ahh true^ more cases to consider then !
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ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):
this may work : "no two rows or columns should be same"
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OpenStudy (vishweshshrimali5):
yeah
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ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):
*add that constraint to previous
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OpenStudy (vishweshshrimali5):
It would be better if we first find out the singular matrices and then subtract from all possible matrices.
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ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):
1) no zeroes on a row/column
2) no two rows/columns should be same
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ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):
yes im trying the same above^
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
understood the constraints but how to find out them?
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ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):
0 0 0
x x x
x x x
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ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):
you got four 1's to fill in those 6 x spots :
(6 choose 4) ways
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ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):
repeat for next two rows :
3*(6 choose 4) = 3(15) = 45 ways
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ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):
similarly, working the columns give you another 45 ways
but there will be few overlaps which you need to subtract
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ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):
I think the overlap is 9; so the total number of ways a line(row/col) can have all zeroes is :
45 + 45 - 9 = 81 ways
vishy check :)
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OpenStudy (vishweshshrimali5):
One sec.
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OpenStudy (vishweshshrimali5):
How did you obtain the overlap ?
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ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):
0 0 0
1 1 0
1 1 0
thats a overlap : total permutations = 3 per each row
=> 9 in total
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ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):
we got @mukushla here :)
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OpenStudy (vishweshshrimali5):
Okay:
0 0 0
1 1 0
1 1 0
0 0 0
0 1 1
0 1 1
0 1 1
0 1 1
0 0 0
1 1 0
1 1 0
0 0 0
1 0 1
0 0 0
1 0 1
1 0 1
1 0 1
0 0 0
0 0 0
1 0 1
1 0 1
Any else I forgot ?
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OpenStudy (vishweshshrimali5):
Okay
1 1 0
0 0 0
1 1 0
0 1 1
0 0 0
0 1 1
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OpenStudy (vishweshshrimali5):
There we have 9
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ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):
yes !
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OpenStudy (vishweshshrimali5):
Yeah you are right till this step
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ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):
good so we nailed one constraint, lets look at second constraint :)
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ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):
@cody_123 are you wid us ?
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
?
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
@vishweshshrimali5 ?
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OpenStudy (vishweshshrimali5):
ohh sorry I was busy on another tab.
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OpenStudy (vishweshshrimali5):
So did you understand the first constraint
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
yes
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OpenStudy (vishweshshrimali5):
Sorry cody I would be unable to respond you for atleast half and hour. I have some serious work to attend.
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OpenStudy (vishweshshrimali5):
Sorry
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
some hint
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
@ParthKohli ?
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
@dan815 ?
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
@Miracrown
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
if we have 2 columns same number of matrices=3*3=9
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
@ganeshie8 ?
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ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):
hey
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
if we have 2 columns same number of matrices=3*3=9?
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
how did y get the columns?
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
if we fix one of the column with only 1's then there are 9 matrices
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ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):
Yes !
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
ok
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
then?
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
w8 a second how can u arrange all 1's in one column that would violate the condition of 4 1's
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ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):
we made a mistake - lets work this thing again :)
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
0 0 1
0 0 1 = 3 matrices
1 1 0
0 0 1
1 1 0 = 3 matrices
0 0 1
1 1 0
0 0 1 =3 matrices
0 0 1
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ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):
Wow ! looks perfect !!
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ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):
will there be any more matrices with same rows ?
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
no all matrices will be over counted then
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ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):
i think you're right ! do u have answer for this ? :)
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
answer should be 126-(81+9)=36?
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ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):
I think so it should be \(\le 36\)
Need to confirm we did not miss counting any
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
please see i dont think so there is any
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
@ganeshie8 ?
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ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):
@dan815 got some time ?
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@hartnn ?
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OpenStudy (mathmate):
I think we have to fill the diagonal first, if we don't want a singular matrix.
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
i think those matrices are counted
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OpenStudy (mathmate):
So there is only one "1" left for the other 6 places.
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OpenStudy (mathmate):
@cody_123
What do you mean by "counted"? :)
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
i mean matrices where all the diagonal elements are same are counted in the above cases
like
0 1 1
0 0 1
1 1 0
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OpenStudy (mathmate):
If they are identical, they should be counted as one.
But...
When the matrix has a zero on the diagonal, it will be singular.
Since the matrix has to be non-singular, all the diagonal terms must be non-zero. This will therefore take care of three "1"s. You can then place the remaining "1" wherever you want.
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
so it is another constraint?
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OpenStudy (mathmate):
Yes, it is a constraint that helps you. Because you know where three of the '1"s go, and leaves you with only one left in the other six places.
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