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OpenStudy (anonymous):

Can someone help me please ??! :)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

@UnkleRhaukus

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Using the following equation, find the center and radius of the circle. You must show all work and calculations to receive credit. x2 + 2x + y2 + 4y = 20

OpenStudy (unklerhaukus):

use `completing the square` method

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Yes

OpenStudy (unklerhaukus):

complete the square on the x terms first x^2 + 2x = (x+ )^2 +

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Right so far I got the first two steps down its the third step that is confusing me.

OpenStudy (unklerhaukus):

A circle centred at \((a,b)\), with radius \(r\) has the form \[(x-a)^2 + (y-b)^2 =r^2\]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

This is what i've been using to help me

OpenStudy (unklerhaukus):

yeah it's just like that

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Right the part Im really confused on is step 3 and down

OpenStudy (anonymous):

@goformit100

OpenStudy (goformit100):

How can I help you ?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Using the following equation, find the center and radius of the circle. You must show all work and calculations to receive credit. x2 + 2x + y2 + 4y = 20

OpenStudy (anonymous):

I need help how to use " completing the square method "

OpenStudy (anonymous):

You think you could help me @goformit100

OpenStudy (unklerhaukus):

if you had \[z^2+6z\] completing the square goes like this \[(z+a)^2=z^2+2ax+a^2\] \[z^2+6z +9= (z+3)^2\] so \[z^2+6z= (z+3)^2-9\] So halve the z coefficient , and put that in the brackets for a, then because the number term is missing , take it away form both sides

OpenStudy (unklerhaukus):

So to complete the square on the x terms first x^2 + 2x what is the x coefficient ? what is half of this ?

OpenStudy (zzr0ck3r):

you cant get much more help than that \(\large \uparrow\)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Im not really sure

OpenStudy (unklerhaukus):

\(\color{brown}{This}\) term is the x coefficient \[x^2 + \color{brown}2x \] Because it is the number x is multiplied by

OpenStudy (anonymous):

ohh ok

OpenStudy (anonymous):

This is so far what I have

OpenStudy (anonymous):

x2 + 2x + y2 + 4y = 20 (x2 + 2x) + (y2 + 4y) = 20 (x2+2x-1)+(y2+4y-2) = 20 + 20+1 (x2+2x-1) + (y2+4y-2) = 41

OpenStudy (unklerhaukus):

nope, the idea is you want the terms in those brackets to be perfect squares (x^2+2x-1) is not a perfect square but (x^2+2x+1) is , because is equals (x+1)^2

OpenStudy (unklerhaukus):

(y^2+4y-2) is not a perfect square either

OpenStudy (anonymous):

sorry, I'm really not good at this. Could you please explain to me what I do for step three in-depth?

OpenStudy (unklerhaukus):

Start with just these terms x^2 + 2ax Find the x coefficient; (a) then halve this; (a/2) x^2 + 2ax + a^2 = (x+a)^2 so x^2 + 2ax = (x+a)^2-a^2

OpenStudy (triciaal):

step 3 take the coefficient of the term in x divide by 2 then square that number. that is the number you are adding to the inside of the quadratic so that it can be factored. since you are adding this amount to this side of the equation you need to add it to the other side as well. follow the same process for the section with the y group let me see what you have

OpenStudy (triciaal):

@UnkleRhaukus thank you @Rubio101 post what you have

OpenStudy (anonymous):

x2 + 2x + y2 + 4y = 20 (x2 + 2x) + (y2 + 4y) = 20

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Thats what I have Im not if im right or not.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

*sure

OpenStudy (unklerhaukus):

(x^2 + 2x) + (y^2 + 4y) = 20 is right so far , now you have to complete the squares

OpenStudy (triciaal):

now follow the directions in the post that says step 3

OpenStudy (anonymous):

(x2+2x-1)+(y2+4y-2)=20+(20+1)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Thats what I have is that right?

OpenStudy (triciaal):

@UnkleRhaukus Find the x coefficient; (a) then halve this; (a/2) x^2 + 2ax + a^2 = (x+a)^2 coefficient is 2a when in half =1/2*2a = a

OpenStudy (unklerhaukus):

*ops, thanks for spotting that error of mine @triciaal

OpenStudy (triciaal):

@Rubio101 you are adding +1 and +4

OpenStudy (zzr0ck3r):

\(x^2+ax+y^2+by=c\\(x+\frac{a}{2})^2+(y+\frac{y}{2})^2=c+(\frac{a}{2})^2+(\frac{b}{2})^2\)

OpenStudy (zzr0ck3r):

figure out what a,b are and you are done....

OpenStudy (zzr0ck3r):

and c....

OpenStudy (zzr0ck3r):

it should be painfully obvious that a = 2, b=4, and c=20

OpenStudy (triciaal):

its always positive because when you square a -ve the result is +ve and when you multiply +ve the result is +ve

OpenStudy (anonymous):

I get it now. Thank you all. sorry if i was a bother

OpenStudy (triciaal):

on the right hand side you are adding +1 and +4

OpenStudy (triciaal):

it's ok you are not a bother we are here to help

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