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OpenStudy (tishockjo):

Which organism was the first to develop in the absence of oxygen? A. prokaryotic B. eukaryotic C. cyanobacteria D. algae

OpenStudy (praetorian.10):

i would have said bacteria but i guess the answer is more in depth then just that so...

OpenStudy (praetorian.10):

A: prokaryotic

OpenStudy (praetorian.10):

@Abhisar look at the question i sent you

OpenStudy (abhisar):

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OpenStudy (abhisar):

The first organism which evolved was indeed prokaryotic, after these cyanobacteria evolved which liberated oxygen by photosynthesis

OpenStudy (tishockjo):

it make sense to me now. thank you, both of you!:))

OpenStudy (abhisar):

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OpenStudy (praetorian.10):

no prob

OpenStudy (anonymous):

@Abhisar @Tishockjo This is a horrible question; prokaryotes are eubacteria (Domain Bacteria) and the archaea (Domain Archaea). Both "A" and "C" are equally valid, after all cyanobacteria are prokaryotes. I believe the question wants "C" as the answer. Cyanobacteria do not need oxygen, they need water. They split the water molecular into two protons (H+) and one oxygen and must do this twice, resulting in O2. The production of O2 by cyanobacteria is thought to be the cause of atmospheric O2 and a mass extinction of anaerobic bacteria.

OpenStudy (abhisar):

@mrdoldum cyanobacteria are oxygenic photosynthetic bacteria which started producing oxygen during oxygen revolution. many other prokaryotes lived before cyanobacteria which were non-oxygenic photosynthetic.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

@Abhisar Gaseous O2 has alway existed on a solidified Earth. The free O2 levels were so low that only non-aerobic respiration species could live. Cyanobacteria do not require O2. They can perform cyclic photosynthesis and avoid the O2 all together. So, I am not sure what the "correct" answer here is, but both A and C are valid. Still, because it asks for "organism" I believe C is the best answer. "A" is not even a group of organisms actually. It is now an informal term used to refer to organisms with similar morphologies but are not closely related.

OpenStudy (abhisar):

The first living being were prokaryotes like bacteria that were chemoheterotrophs. @mrdoldum

OpenStudy (anonymous):

@Abhisar It was chemoauthotrophs, not chemoheterotrophs. I really don't know what the question's answer should be because, as I have said, both A and C are correct. Cyanobacteria are in the informal group of prokaryotes and evolved pre-significant level of O2. In fact, they made the majority O2 on Earth via water molecules. So, we have C, which evolved before high levels of O2 AND are prokayotes. This means that if C is correct, A must be correct by default. Check out the Archean eon: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_evolutionary_history_of_life#Detailed_timeline I do have better citations but I do not want to dig out my Campbell's Biology right now.

OpenStudy (abhisar):

No i can bet, it ws chemoheterotrophs !

OpenStudy (abhisar):

They were anaerobic and synthesised organic material from inorganic materials !

OpenStudy (abhisar):

due to continued withdrawl or organic molecules by chemoheterotrophs organic material decreased in oceans. Before all the material dissapeared, new modes of nutrition developed. One of them was chemoautotrophy

OpenStudy (abhisar):

\(\color{blue}{\text{Originally Posted by}}\) @Abhisar They were anaerobic and synthesised organic material from inorganic materials ! \(\color{blue}{\text{End of Quote}}\) *chemoheterotrophs were anaerobic and directly absorbed organic molecule. They were unable to synthesise organic molecule from inorganic molecule

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Martin W, Russell MJ. 2003. On the origins of cells: a hypothesis for the evolutionary transitions from abiotic geochemistry to chemoautotrophic prokaryotes, and from prokaryotes to nucleated cells. Phil. Trans. R. Soc. Lond. B 358:59–85.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

@Abhisar Don't know where your quote is from, but the studies I have read do not support it.

OpenStudy (abhisar):

Autotrophism evolved from heterotrophy ! \(\color{green}{\huge\ddot\smile}\)

OpenStudy (abhisar):

I don't have much of source to refer ! But u r missreading ur source ! Its very general to say that "a hypothesis for the evolutionary transitions from abiotic geochemistry to chemoautotrophic prokaryotes, and from prokaryotes to nucleated cells."

OpenStudy (abhisar):

It's obvs, abiogenesis states this only ! But ur source do not have a word about the correct sequence.

OpenStudy (abhisar):

Read the first paragraph !

OpenStudy (anonymous):

@Abhisar I am not misreading it. I read the abstract and their conclusions. Sentence taken from their abstract: The first free–living cells are suggested to have been eubacterial and archaebacterial chemoautotrophs that emerged more than 3.8 Gyr ago from their inorganic confines. We propose that the emergence of these prokaryotic lineages from inorganic confines occurred independently, facilitated by the independent origins of membrane–lipid biosynthesis: isoprenoid ether membranes in the archaebacterial and fatty acid ester membranes in the eubacterial lineage. Additionally see, page 295 left column first full paragraph: Novoselov AA, Serrano P, Pacheco MLAF, Chaffin MS, O’Malley-James JT, Moreno SC, Ribeiro FB. 2013. From cytoplasm to environment: The inorganic ingredients for the origin of life. Astrobiology 13:294–302.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

@Abhisar I have seen more evidence for the autotroph hypothesis than the heterotroph hypothesis as this time. I think I will go find my molecular evolution books and get back to you.

OpenStudy (abhisar):

May be, but there will always remain a discrepancy ! btw i believe in heterotrophic hypothesis more. And in any case the answer will not be cyanobacteria. :)

OpenStudy (abhisar):

@mrdoldum

OpenStudy (anonymous):

@Abhisar It is too vague, as A includes C, it shouldn't then be A.

OpenStudy (abhisar):

U r just seeing ur perspective ! Question wants u to see its perspective :)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

@Abhisar That is the issue though. Questions should not have "perspective." They should be clear and concise so that it is fair to the student. Believe me, questions like this are a HUGE issue when students take tests from a certain professor, and we, the TAs, have to try to work it out with the students and help them along. All because the professor writes poorly worded questions what are unclear or technically incorrect. Example, one questions asked the ATP production by glycolysis and fermentation and proceeded to give all the answers with 2 ATP for glycolysis. Do you see the problem?

OpenStudy (abhisar):

2ATP (SLP), rest 8 from ETS. Net 8 since 2 is used up in the process. I agree the question is incomplete.

OpenStudy (abhisar):

but u know what, in our country we have to go through a very tough competitive pre test for getting admission into medical colleges. (2000 from 100000 appearing students get selected) When i was preparing for it i used to encounter many of such questions. Then i figured it out that sometime the questions like the original one (prokaryote/cyanobacteria) is purposely asked to see the judgement level of the student.

OpenStudy (abhisar):

*I am confused wthr its 6 atp or 8 atp from ets

OpenStudy (anonymous):

@Abhisar It is not 8, it is 4. Glycolysis splits a glucose molecule into two groups, each of which go through the full process. However, 2 ATP are used during Glycolysis giving us a net 2 ATP production from one round of glycolysis. Well, she did not as for net or gross, so there is actually no answer.

OpenStudy (abhisar):

yes it's 4 atp via slp and 6 atp from ets, only 2 is counted since 2 are used up

OpenStudy (abhisar):

So net gain should be 8 ATP (SLP+ETS)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

@Abhisar, no it is 4 ATP per glucose (gross) with 2 ATP used up so there is only 2 net ATP.

OpenStudy (abhisar):

Glycolysis produces 2 NADH+H\(^+\) also, whch produces 6 atp's in ELECTRON TRANSPORT CHAIN. 4 ATP"S are via Substrate level production. Only 2 is counted since 2

OpenStudy (abhisar):

are used up

OpenStudy (anonymous):

@Abhisar I didn't ask about the ETC, only glycolysis.

OpenStudy (abhisar):

That's why i said the question is incomplete.

OpenStudy (abhisar):

ETS ATP is also due to glycolysis

OpenStudy (abhisar):

if talking about aerobic respiration then it's obvious

OpenStudy (abhisar):

to include ETS

OpenStudy (anonymous):

@Abhisar The question, as I gave it to you, was not incomplete for my point. She explicitly separated out glycolysis from other metabolic pathways, did not specify net or gross, and only listed 2 ATP as an option, so everything was technically wrong.

OpenStudy (abhisar):

It's all about point of view !

OpenStudy (abhisar):

Just like chemoautotrophic hypothesis and Chemoheterotrophic hypothesis !

OpenStudy (abhisar):

both have their plus and minus points !

OpenStudy (anonymous):

@Abhisar From everything I can find, the most recent research does not support the chemoheterotrophs. That website you sent is from 2005 or so, and majority of literature within the last 5 years or so that I could find, does not support that hypothesis. I'll keep digging though, because most bio books still report things like eye color, cleft chin, tongue folding, hitchhiker's thumb, etc as simple mendelian dom/rec traits, but they are not.

OpenStudy (abhisar):

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OpenStudy (abhisar):

Well if we go by the oparin Haldane soup hypothesis, then chemoheterotrophs sounds the best

OpenStudy (anonymous):

@Abhisar In case you want to read about it as well, the big change in the hypothesis, or at least the most commonly reported reason for the change, is the discovery of chemosynthetic prokaryotes in/at deep sea vents. Deep sea vents are thought to be highly similar to the primordial earth.

OpenStudy (abhisar):

May be, it's possible. After all both are hypotheses. I am not much aware about the extreme current affairs since we don't debate this in medical colleges ! :D

OpenStudy (abhisar):

I just remember what i studied back in A level and i believe same is still taught in those grades :)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

@Abhisar My most up-to-date books are at the department, so I'll have to wait to get them. I'll do some more research, but as I said, the most recent stuff does not support the heterotroph theory. If you want I can send you a message about what I find after I conclude my search. It is a question that I am indirectly interested in (similar to what were the first fungi), so I will spend quite a bit of effort to find out if it is most likely hetero or auto.

OpenStudy (abhisar):

Appreciate it ! @mrdoldum

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