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OpenStudy (anonymous):

If the outliers are not included, what is the mean of the data set? 76, 79, 80, 82, 50, 78, 83, 79, 81, 82 77 78 79 80

OpenStudy (anonymous):

@Whitemonsterbunny17

whitemonsterbunny17 (whitemonsterbunny17):

First, order them from least to greatest.

OpenStudy (mathmale):

Next, think carefully about HOW you will determine which of these data points is/are outlier(s). Are you familiar with "five number summaries?" with box plots? Box plots are the way I'd go were I trying to determine whether or not I have one or more outliers.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

50, 76, 78, 79, 79, 80, 81, 82, 83 Correct?

OpenStudy (mathmale):

Even without doing a 5-number summary, or box plot, can you spot any outlier? What makes you suspect it's an outlier?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Well 50 seems like an outlier. It is relatively far

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Am I right? Anyone?

whitemonsterbunny17 (whitemonsterbunny17):

Yes, I'd agree.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Okay whats next

whitemonsterbunny17 (whitemonsterbunny17):

Look through the numbers to see if you can find any more outliers.. Do you see any more?

OpenStudy (zarkon):

you should have a mathematical procedure to detect possible outliers

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Um. No outliers I think

OpenStudy (the_fizicx99):

There is a method to detect outliers @Zarkon

OpenStudy (anonymous):

79.88 is the answer. all you do is add up the numbers and divide by the amount of numbers

OpenStudy (mathmale):

Just by eyeballing the data, seeing that 50 is so far removed from the next data point, I'd call 50 an outlier. Notice that I did as you, Gabe, whether you had already learned the "5-number summary" for data, and whether or not you're familiar with the box plot. Both (but especially the 5-number summary) would enable you to "detect outliers" and thus to satisfy Zarkon. So, again, are you, Gabe, familiar with the 5-number summary?

whitemonsterbunny17 (whitemonsterbunny17):

@Twix47 please don't give out direct answers, as it is against the CoC (Code of Conduct).

OpenStudy (mathmale):

If the outliers are not included, what is the mean of the data set? 1) We have to determine, first of all, whether or not 50 is an outlier. If 50 and/or any other data point is an outlier, then we remove it/them. 2) Only then do we calculate the mean of the (remaining) data.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Okay 50 is an outlier. So we just calculate?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

so many people........never so many........

OpenStudy (mathmale):

@Gabebro13 : OpenStudy tells me that you're apparently trying to help someone else solve that person's problem. You are, of course, free to pay attention to solving your own math problem or to focus on someone else's; I do that all the time. But be aware that your absence creates a poor impression. For the third time, Gabe: Have you had any experience with the 5-number summary?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Sorry, short attention span. And no never have I heard of 5-number summary

OpenStudy (mathmale):

All right. So be it. With due apologies to Zarkon, we will assume that 50 is an outlier. How many data points are there without that 50?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

8

OpenStudy (mathmale):

I count 9, even without that 50.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Are you sure? I only see 8. Could you post them?

OpenStudy (mathmale):

Maybe we'd better go back to the original problem (which you posted).

OpenStudy (kropot72):

An outlier is an observation: a) above Upper Quartile + 1.5 * Interquartile Range b) below Lower Quartile - 1.5 * Interquartile Range

OpenStudy (mathmale):

@kropot72: are you dissatisfied with my explanations so far? if not, mind stepping in a bit later? Thank you.

OpenStudy (the_fizicx99):

Usually you'll do the 5 number summary first, then the IQR rule.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Okay all these people here is starting to freak me out.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

no 5 summary for me

OpenStudy (kropot72):

To identify outliers, we c) work out the UQ, LQ and IQR d) evaluate UQ + 1.5 * IQR and LQ - 1.5 * IQR e) data values greater than the first or less than the second of these two values are outliers.

OpenStudy (mathmale):

I agree: too many cooks spoil the soup. Too many tutors can mess up one's learning process. For the time being I'm going to back out, but will remain in the background as the rest of you hash out a way to address this situation so that Gabe can feel more comfortable. But before I leave: Please note that there are 10 data points: 76, 79, 80, 82, 50, 78, 83, 79, 81, 82, and that if we remove the only suspected outlier, 50, we have 9 data points left (not 8). Until later. Good luck!

OpenStudy (kropot72):

@mathmate It is obvious by inspection in this case that there is only the one outlier. I apologize for my presenting a way of making sure of outlier identification.

OpenStudy (aum):

Ignore 50. Add the remaining 9 numbers and divide it by 9.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Thanks guys! It really helped. And I got the answer right!

OpenStudy (mathmale):

No apologies needed here. To master this material, one must, unfortunately, master the idea of 5-number summary and then the process of determining whether there are or are not outliers. @Gabebro13 : Good for you!

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