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OpenStudy (anonymous):

Algebra help? :) Which is the converse of the conditional statement and is true or false? If a number is a prime number, then it is divisible by 1 and itself. A. If a number is not divisible by 1 and itself, then it is a prime number. The converse is false. B. If a number is not divisible by 1 and itself, then it is not a prime number. The converse is true. C. If a number is not a prime number, then it is not divisible by 1 and itself. The converse is false. D. If a number is divisible by 1 and itself, then it is a prime number. The converse is false.

OpenStudy (driftracer305):

B is good

OpenStudy (anonymous):

suely B looks good...

OpenStudy (anonymous):

can you help with 4 more?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

f corse..

OpenStudy (queelius):

Converse of "If A then B" is "If B then A". So, it's not B. Let A = "number is prime", so what is B?

OpenStudy (thomas5267):

I don't think it is B. The converse of B is "If it is not a prime number, the number is not divisible by 1 and the number itself." I don't think the converse of B makes sense.

OpenStudy (queelius):

I just noticed by choice of names for the two claims, A and B, conflicts with the names for the multi-choice answers.

OpenStudy (queelius):

Ooops. So, rephrase: converse of "If P then Q" is "If Q then P". Let Q = "is prime", then P = ?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

is also prime?

OpenStudy (queelius):

Let Q = "is prime", then P = "is divisible by 1". Thus, the converse is "If divisible by 1 then is prime". It's just flipping the implication.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

oh duh

OpenStudy (queelius):

Notice that the converse of "Is prime -> divisible by 1" is not true, i.e., it's not necessarily the case that something that is divisible by 1 is prime. But, that's alright. The converse is simply not true, while the original implication is.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

so D is out?

OpenStudy (queelius):

Well, the answer is D. The converse of "is prime -> divisible by 1" is "is divisible by 1 -> is prime", which is not true. So, D.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

oh I thought it was not true.... XD makes way more sense! XD 4 more?

OpenStudy (queelius):

I'll help if I can.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Thanks :)

OpenStudy (queelius):

Welcome.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Which conditional statement has a converse that is true? A. If I am reading, then I am sitting. B. If I am eating, then I am hungry. C. If I am driving, then I am moving. D. If I am wet, then I am swimming.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

B or D (i think)

OpenStudy (queelius):

So, first, take the converse of each one. Implication A says, "If reading, then sitting." Converse is "If sitting, then reading." Clearly, just because one is sitting, that does not mean he or she is sitting. So, A is out.

OpenStudy (queelius):

B says, "If eating, then hungry", so converse(B) says "If hungry, then eating." Is this true?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Yes

OpenStudy (queelius):

You can't be hungry and not eating? Usually, the reason why you are hungry in the first place is because you have not been eating -- there must be some point in which you are both hungry and not eating, right? :)

OpenStudy (queelius):

Let's look at C and D. "If I am driving, I am moving" -> converse "If I am moving, I am driving." Is this converse true?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

true... and I wanna guess D is out due to the fact that you font have to swim to get wet?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

yes thats true

OpenStudy (queelius):

Well,let's consider D. Implication: If I am wet, then I am swimming. Converse: If I am swimming, then I am wet. There are cases in which you can imagine not being wet while swimming, but in general this seems really plausible. It seems to be the best one.

OpenStudy (queelius):

If I am moving, then I am driving? I can walk, and thus be moving and not driving. So, C is out.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

I did not think of that thanks so ima go with C C:

OpenStudy (anonymous):

I mean D I dont know why I said C

OpenStudy (queelius):

Yes, correct.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Which is the inverse of the conditional statement? If a number is divisible by 2, then it is a composite number A. If a number is a composite number, then it is divisible by 2. B. If a number is a composite number, then it is not divisible by 2. C. If a number is not divisible by 2, then it is not a composite number. D. If a number is not a composite number, then it is not divisible by 2.

OpenStudy (queelius):

Let me look up inverse. Brb.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

ok

OpenStudy (queelius):

A = P->Q. Inverse of A is not(P) -> not(Q)

OpenStudy (queelius):

So, let P = "number divisible by 2", and Q = "composite number". So, inverse. not(P) = "number not divisible by 2", and not(Q) = "not a prime number". What do you think the answer is?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

A?

OpenStudy (queelius):

That is the converse. Remember, inverse of P->Q is not(P)->not(Q).

OpenStudy (queelius):

While converse of P->Q is Q->P.

OpenStudy (queelius):

Note that P->Q just means "If P then Q" where P and Q are just statements that can be true or false.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

C?

OpenStudy (queelius):

Yup! Good job.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

XD Yay! :) 3 more? :D

OpenStudy (queelius):

Sure, but I would like for you to try to answer it yourself -- show me your work, as it were -- and I will step to guide you and give you hints if needed.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

ok :) good deal :D

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Write the contrapositive of the conditional statement. If an animal is a fish, then it lives in water. A. If an animal is not a fish, then it does not live in water. B. If an animal does not live in water, then it is not a fish. C. If an animal lives in water, then it is a fish. D. If an animal does not live in water, then it lives in water.

OpenStudy (queelius):

Ok, first, let's define contrapositive. Can you define it in terms of P and Q?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

ugh.... If an animal does not live in water, then it is not a fish. (the contrapositive of (if p then q) is (if not q then not p))? I think...

OpenStudy (queelius):

Good, nice work! You got it.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

I know D doesn't make any sense what's so ever and oh... AWESOME! XD

OpenStudy (queelius):

Note that the contrapositive of a true statement is also a true statement.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

I'll keep that in mind ;)

OpenStudy (queelius):

LOL

OpenStudy (queelius):

I think it's one of Sherlock's trump cards.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Im really gonna your help on this one >.< Which shows the contrapositive of the conditional statement, and if the conditional statement and the contrapositive are true or false? If x – 7 ≠ 10, then x ≠ 17. A. If x – 7 = 10, then x = 17. The conditional statement and the contrapositive are both true. B. If x ≠ 17, then x – 7 ≠ 10. The conditional statement and the contrapositive are both false. C. If x = 17, then x – 7 = 10. The conditional statement is false and the contrapositive is true. D. If x = 17, then x – 7 = 10. The conditional statement and the contrapositive are both true.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

I think I can do this :) ... maybe

OpenStudy (queelius):

Ok, so first, let's identify P and Q in the implication "If P then Q".

OpenStudy (queelius):

What do you think P is?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

at "x = 17"?

OpenStudy (queelius):

P is "x - 10 != 7". What do you think Q is? Note that I am not yet asking about the contrapositive.

OpenStudy (queelius):

Err, P is "x - 7 != 10"

OpenStudy (anonymous):

ugh is it "x = 7"? Like I said... im not good at this but I dont know any other place for it

OpenStudy (queelius):

No problem. Ok, looks like you may be a little confused about what I'm asking for. I was just trying to get us to recognize what the P and Q should be in the statement "If x - 7 != 10 then x != 17". That is, I wanted to fit it to the pattern "If P then Q". P, then, is "x - 7 != 10" and Q is "x != 17". Now, we know that contrapositive is "not P then not Q". It is not a simple matter of "taking the opposite" of the P and Q we have identified previously.

OpenStudy (queelius):

Err, "it is not a simple matter of..." should say "it is NOW a simple matter of"... Sorry about that.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

ok I think im getting back on track

OpenStudy (queelius):

Also, contrapositive would be "not Q then not P". Boy! I'm full of mistakes. Sorry if I've confused you. Hard to keep the P's and Q's straight!

OpenStudy (anonymous):

nah its good, Im always confused XD see were good :) It will hit me eventually ;)

OpenStudy (queelius):

Ok, so P is "x - 7 != 10" and Q is "x != 17". So, not(Q) is "x = 17", and not(P) is "x - 7 = 10".

OpenStudy (queelius):

One final step, right? First, "if x = 17, then x - 7 = 10". Is that true?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

yes! I hope XD

OpenStudy (queelius):

Yup, it's true. Also, is the original statement true?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

no

OpenStudy (anonymous):

right?

OpenStudy (queelius):

The only way x - 7 can equal 10 is if x = 17. However, we are given that x - 7 does not equal 10... so?

OpenStudy (queelius):

Oh, you answered already. Yup.

OpenStudy (queelius):

You are correct.

OpenStudy (queelius):

Oh, wait.

OpenStudy (queelius):

You're not right. :p The statement "If x - 7 != 10 then x != 17" is true.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

XD Yay so it's C

OpenStudy (queelius):

Nope, they're both true. :p

OpenStudy (queelius):

Logic can be confusing. If x - 7 != 10, then x CANNOT be 17 right?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

If it were to = 10 then yes?

OpenStudy (queelius):

If x - 7 = 10, then x = 17 would be true.

OpenStudy (queelius):

"If x - 7 = 10, then x != 17" is false though.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

so It can

OpenStudy (anonymous):

and the answer is A?

OpenStudy (queelius):

You're really close! Remember, the contrapositive also flips the P and Q, i.e., if P -> Q becomes "if not Q then not P"

OpenStudy (queelius):

You're almost done. I promise. :)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

ITS D!

OpenStudy (queelius):

Yup!

OpenStudy (queelius):

I think after that one we need a quick tea break. :) BRB, gonna get something to drink.

OpenStudy (queelius):

But post your next problem and give me your thoughts on it (assuming either of us still have any brain power left).

OpenStudy (anonymous):

YES! I feel great! XD got the hang of it.... sortof XD and I GOT 100% XD Thank you soo much for taking your time to explain all that to me :)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

xD that comment doe I dont have anymore unless I start another lesson.. want me to?

OpenStudy (queelius):

Ok, good job!

OpenStudy (queelius):

I think it's started to click for you. It just takes some getting use to.

OpenStudy (queelius):

Once you can rephrase these kind of logic questions in terms of variables like P and Q, logic becomes just another sort of math and they can be extreme complex but it's not problem.

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