Algebra help? :) Which is the converse of the conditional statement and is true or false? If a number is a prime number, then it is divisible by 1 and itself. A. If a number is not divisible by 1 and itself, then it is a prime number. The converse is false. B. If a number is not divisible by 1 and itself, then it is not a prime number. The converse is true. C. If a number is not a prime number, then it is not divisible by 1 and itself. The converse is false. D. If a number is divisible by 1 and itself, then it is a prime number. The converse is false.
B is good
suely B looks good...
can you help with 4 more?
f corse..
Converse of "If A then B" is "If B then A". So, it's not B. Let A = "number is prime", so what is B?
I don't think it is B. The converse of B is "If it is not a prime number, the number is not divisible by 1 and the number itself." I don't think the converse of B makes sense.
I just noticed by choice of names for the two claims, A and B, conflicts with the names for the multi-choice answers.
Ooops. So, rephrase: converse of "If P then Q" is "If Q then P". Let Q = "is prime", then P = ?
is also prime?
Let Q = "is prime", then P = "is divisible by 1". Thus, the converse is "If divisible by 1 then is prime". It's just flipping the implication.
oh duh
Notice that the converse of "Is prime -> divisible by 1" is not true, i.e., it's not necessarily the case that something that is divisible by 1 is prime. But, that's alright. The converse is simply not true, while the original implication is.
so D is out?
Well, the answer is D. The converse of "is prime -> divisible by 1" is "is divisible by 1 -> is prime", which is not true. So, D.
oh I thought it was not true.... XD makes way more sense! XD 4 more?
I'll help if I can.
Thanks :)
Welcome.
Which conditional statement has a converse that is true? A. If I am reading, then I am sitting. B. If I am eating, then I am hungry. C. If I am driving, then I am moving. D. If I am wet, then I am swimming.
B or D (i think)
So, first, take the converse of each one. Implication A says, "If reading, then sitting." Converse is "If sitting, then reading." Clearly, just because one is sitting, that does not mean he or she is sitting. So, A is out.
B says, "If eating, then hungry", so converse(B) says "If hungry, then eating." Is this true?
Yes
You can't be hungry and not eating? Usually, the reason why you are hungry in the first place is because you have not been eating -- there must be some point in which you are both hungry and not eating, right? :)
Let's look at C and D. "If I am driving, I am moving" -> converse "If I am moving, I am driving." Is this converse true?
true... and I wanna guess D is out due to the fact that you font have to swim to get wet?
yes thats true
Well,let's consider D. Implication: If I am wet, then I am swimming. Converse: If I am swimming, then I am wet. There are cases in which you can imagine not being wet while swimming, but in general this seems really plausible. It seems to be the best one.
If I am moving, then I am driving? I can walk, and thus be moving and not driving. So, C is out.
I did not think of that thanks so ima go with C C:
I mean D I dont know why I said C
Yes, correct.
Which is the inverse of the conditional statement? If a number is divisible by 2, then it is a composite number A. If a number is a composite number, then it is divisible by 2. B. If a number is a composite number, then it is not divisible by 2. C. If a number is not divisible by 2, then it is not a composite number. D. If a number is not a composite number, then it is not divisible by 2.
Let me look up inverse. Brb.
ok
A = P->Q. Inverse of A is not(P) -> not(Q)
So, let P = "number divisible by 2", and Q = "composite number". So, inverse. not(P) = "number not divisible by 2", and not(Q) = "not a prime number". What do you think the answer is?
A?
That is the converse. Remember, inverse of P->Q is not(P)->not(Q).
While converse of P->Q is Q->P.
Note that P->Q just means "If P then Q" where P and Q are just statements that can be true or false.
C?
Yup! Good job.
XD Yay! :) 3 more? :D
Sure, but I would like for you to try to answer it yourself -- show me your work, as it were -- and I will step to guide you and give you hints if needed.
ok :) good deal :D
Write the contrapositive of the conditional statement. If an animal is a fish, then it lives in water. A. If an animal is not a fish, then it does not live in water. B. If an animal does not live in water, then it is not a fish. C. If an animal lives in water, then it is a fish. D. If an animal does not live in water, then it lives in water.
Ok, first, let's define contrapositive. Can you define it in terms of P and Q?
ugh.... If an animal does not live in water, then it is not a fish. (the contrapositive of (if p then q) is (if not q then not p))? I think...
Good, nice work! You got it.
I know D doesn't make any sense what's so ever and oh... AWESOME! XD
Note that the contrapositive of a true statement is also a true statement.
I'll keep that in mind ;)
LOL
I think it's one of Sherlock's trump cards.
Im really gonna your help on this one >.< Which shows the contrapositive of the conditional statement, and if the conditional statement and the contrapositive are true or false? If x – 7 ≠ 10, then x ≠ 17. A. If x – 7 = 10, then x = 17. The conditional statement and the contrapositive are both true. B. If x ≠ 17, then x – 7 ≠ 10. The conditional statement and the contrapositive are both false. C. If x = 17, then x – 7 = 10. The conditional statement is false and the contrapositive is true. D. If x = 17, then x – 7 = 10. The conditional statement and the contrapositive are both true.
I think I can do this :) ... maybe
Ok, so first, let's identify P and Q in the implication "If P then Q".
What do you think P is?
at "x = 17"?
P is "x - 10 != 7". What do you think Q is? Note that I am not yet asking about the contrapositive.
Err, P is "x - 7 != 10"
ugh is it "x = 7"? Like I said... im not good at this but I dont know any other place for it
No problem. Ok, looks like you may be a little confused about what I'm asking for. I was just trying to get us to recognize what the P and Q should be in the statement "If x - 7 != 10 then x != 17". That is, I wanted to fit it to the pattern "If P then Q". P, then, is "x - 7 != 10" and Q is "x != 17". Now, we know that contrapositive is "not P then not Q". It is not a simple matter of "taking the opposite" of the P and Q we have identified previously.
Err, "it is not a simple matter of..." should say "it is NOW a simple matter of"... Sorry about that.
ok I think im getting back on track
Also, contrapositive would be "not Q then not P". Boy! I'm full of mistakes. Sorry if I've confused you. Hard to keep the P's and Q's straight!
nah its good, Im always confused XD see were good :) It will hit me eventually ;)
Ok, so P is "x - 7 != 10" and Q is "x != 17". So, not(Q) is "x = 17", and not(P) is "x - 7 = 10".
One final step, right? First, "if x = 17, then x - 7 = 10". Is that true?
yes! I hope XD
Yup, it's true. Also, is the original statement true?
no
right?
The only way x - 7 can equal 10 is if x = 17. However, we are given that x - 7 does not equal 10... so?
Oh, you answered already. Yup.
You are correct.
Oh, wait.
You're not right. :p The statement "If x - 7 != 10 then x != 17" is true.
XD Yay so it's C
Nope, they're both true. :p
Logic can be confusing. If x - 7 != 10, then x CANNOT be 17 right?
If it were to = 10 then yes?
If x - 7 = 10, then x = 17 would be true.
"If x - 7 = 10, then x != 17" is false though.
so It can
and the answer is A?
You're really close! Remember, the contrapositive also flips the P and Q, i.e., if P -> Q becomes "if not Q then not P"
You're almost done. I promise. :)
ITS D!
Yup!
I think after that one we need a quick tea break. :) BRB, gonna get something to drink.
But post your next problem and give me your thoughts on it (assuming either of us still have any brain power left).
YES! I feel great! XD got the hang of it.... sortof XD and I GOT 100% XD Thank you soo much for taking your time to explain all that to me :)
xD that comment doe I dont have anymore unless I start another lesson.. want me to?
Ok, good job!
I think it's started to click for you. It just takes some getting use to.
Once you can rephrase these kind of logic questions in terms of variables like P and Q, logic becomes just another sort of math and they can be extreme complex but it's not problem.
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