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OpenStudy (anonymous):

A Question on Number theory. I am clueless

OpenStudy (anonymous):

If aabb is a 4 digit number , and is a perfect square , Find the number

OpenStudy (anonymous):

@ikram002p

OpenStudy (anonymous):

it's 88^2 , i'm trying but i've not found any way to prove it.

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

\[\large aabb = 1000a + 100a + 10b + b = x^2\]

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

\[\large 1100a + 11b = x^2\]

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

\[\large 11(100a + b) = x^2\]

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

since 11 is a prime, there must exist atleast one more 11 on the left hand side for it to be a perfect square : 100a + b = 11k

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

100a + b = 11k 99a + a + b = 11k a+b = 11(k- 9a) a+b = 11m

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Sorry i was afk , wait let me read

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

next, notice that a and b are digits : 0<a<=9, 0<=b<=9

OpenStudy (anonymous):

I didn't get this actually since 11 is a prime, there must exist atleast one more 11 on the left hand side for it to be a perfect square

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

thats a good question to ask :)

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

2^2 * 3^2 = 36 see that 2 occurs two times and 3 occurs two times on left hand side

OpenStudy (anonymous):

yes

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

For a perfect square, the prime number occurs in even powers

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

So, if 11 is a factor of x^2, then 11^2 mist also be a factor cos, x^2 is a perfect square, 11 cannot occur in odd powers : 11^1

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

*In the prime factorization of a perfect square, the prime number occurs in even powers

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Yes yes i get it , let me read after that

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

okie good :)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

You split that 100a into 99a +a was awesome

OpenStudy (anonymous):

yes 0<a<=9, 0<=b<=9

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

yes :) thats because a digit can only between 0 and 9 (inclusive)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

yess

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

a+b = 11m solve in light of the previous info about range of a, b values

OpenStudy (anonymous):

a cannot be 0 :)

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

again, a cannot be 0 cos its the left most digit of a four digit number

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

a+b = 11m can m be 2 ? can m be 3 ?

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

nope, a+b = 11 is the only possible solution (why ?)

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

\[\large 11(100a + b) = x^2\] \[\large 11(100a + 11-a) = x^2\] \[\large 11(99a + 11) = x^2\] \[\large 11^2(9a+1) = x^2\]

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

so the problem simplifies to this : find \(a\) such that \(9a+1\) is a perfect square given that \(0\lt a\le 9\)

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

9 cases to work with, numbers are small... you can work it :)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Well let me work and tell you

OpenStudy (anonymous):

a=7 ?

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

9(7) + 1 64 yep !

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

so the number is 77xx

OpenStudy (anonymous):

b=4 !

OpenStudy (anonymous):

i mean not 4! 4

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

Excellent ! i bet you're excited as i am :) actually there is another shortcut for this problem if you know the digital roots and the rules for last digit of perfect square

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

but that method hides many details, so don't bother about it :)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

I like this concept Number theory , it stimulates logical thinking , Yes i am very much excited

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

Number theory = Queen of mathematics you know who said it :)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

---->RAMANUJAN<----

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

<3

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Ultimately , Maths is about numbers

OpenStudy (kainui):

I'm really not very good at these kinds of things and always watch these but never feel like I get it. My attempt was to establish an upper and lower bound by seeing that the square root of 9988 and 1100 would give me a range of about 33 to 100 as being the numbers to square. Then assuming we could have 1-9 in the higher digits and 0-9 in the second digit without repeating this meant there were 81 different combinations I could make a four digit number like this lol.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

You could try watching some youtube videos on Number theory , those are really good

OpenStudy (anonymous):

I watch three videos a day

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

xxyy 81 combinations yeah not too much off from 10 cases lol im not sure if we can solve these kind of problems without cases...

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

@No.name whats your favorite problem in number theory so far

OpenStudy (kainui):

I really like your reasoning @ganeshie8 for why there must be another 11. That's really pretty nice!

OpenStudy (anonymous):

there was one which i did not understand but watched it till the end like a idiot , because i was interested

OpenStudy (kainui):

@No.name if you ever find a good number theory video that you like, feel free to send me a link I would be very interested!

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Yes sure :)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

I will compile them and send to you together

OpenStudy (kainui):

Awesome =)

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