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OpenStudy (anonymous):

Can anyone teach me on factoring? Plssssssss.......

OpenStudy (anonymous):

And rational expressions

OpenStudy (anonymous):

You are better post the particular problem and practice on it. It will help you know how to master the method.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

ok sure

OpenStudy (anonymous):

\[12x^4y^5-18xy^6\]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Its easy when i do special products

OpenStudy (anonymous):

But doing the other way round I just dont know how. I get screwed up.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

I saw uncle Rhaukus is writing, let's wait for uncle, ok?

OpenStudy (unklerhaukus):

Fully expanding the terms makes it a bit clearer \[12x^4y^5−18xy^6= 2\times2\times3\times x\times x\times x\times x\times y\times y\times y\times y\times y\\\qquad\qquad\qquad\qquad-2\times3\times3\times x\times y\times y\times y\times y\times y\times y\]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Woooow!!

OpenStudy (unklerhaukus):

to factor the expression , we have to pull out the common factors, the common factors are 2, 3, x, y, y, y, y, y,

OpenStudy (anonymous):

why so many y?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

@UnkleRhaukus It is perfect way to do. However, it's so.... basic. Please, give him teenager step, not baby's one like that.

OpenStudy (unklerhaukus):

\[12x^4y^5−18xy^6= 2\times2\times3\times x\times x\times x\times x\times y\times y\times y\times y\times y\\\qquad\qquad\qquad\qquad-2\times3\times3\times x\times y\times y\times y\times y\times y\times y\\~\\\qquad\qquad=2\times3\times x\times y\times y\times y\times y\times y(2\times x\times x\times x-3\times y)\]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Wait what? Its confusing...

OpenStudy (unklerhaukus):

\[12x^4y^5−18xy^6 = (6\times x\times y^5\times2\times x^3 -6\times x\times y^5\times3\times y)\]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

There's actually so many types of factoring, and I screw at all of them.

OpenStudy (unklerhaukus):

now use \[ab+ac=a(b+c)\] where \(a\) is the product of all the common facors

OpenStudy (anonymous):

you mean 2 is the common factor?

OpenStudy (unklerhaukus):

2 is one of the common factors

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Because 12 and 18 are divisible by 2.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

yeah so even x and y are common factors?

OpenStudy (unklerhaukus):

you could factor the 2 out in a first step if you want to \[12x^4y^5−18xy^6=2(6x^4y^5-9xy^6) \]

OpenStudy (unklerhaukus):

yeah both of the terms have factors of x and y, in fact both have at least 5 factors of y in them, so you can factor out xy^5 \[=2(6x^4y^5−9xy^6)\\=2xy^5(6x^3−9y)\]

OpenStudy (unklerhaukus):

after we have factored out 2xy^5, there is one more common factor in the terms in the parenthesis ,

OpenStudy (anonymous):

6 and 9 are divisible by 3 right?

OpenStudy (unklerhaukus):

thats right

OpenStudy (anonymous):

But how would you put it out?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

when 2 is already outside?

OpenStudy (unklerhaukus):

\[=2xy^5(6x^3−9y)\\=2xy^5(3\times2x^3−3\times3y)\\=3\times2xy^5(2x^3−3y)\]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

\[6xy^5(2x^3-3y)\]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

am i right?

OpenStudy (unklerhaukus):

That's right \[\checkmark \]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

can you give me a question and I'll try to answer it?

OpenStudy (unklerhaukus):

what if we had \[4ab^2+40a^2\] how can we factorise it ?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Wait. Let me try on my scratch first.

OpenStudy (unklerhaukus):

ill give you a clue, there are only two common factors

OpenStudy (anonymous):

\[4a(ab^2+10a)\]

OpenStudy (unklerhaukus):

that is so close

OpenStudy (anonymous):

wait

OpenStudy (anonymous):

\[4a(b^2+10a)\]

OpenStudy (unklerhaukus):

YESSSS !!

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Let me try to solve for this one... Its quite hard.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

210a^14-180a^8c

OpenStudy (anonymous):

oh no....Im screwed again.

OpenStudy (unklerhaukus):

look at the number terms first, if it helps 210 and 180 both have factors of 10 right?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

i used 3 as factors

OpenStudy (anonymous):

i guess i was wrong....

OpenStudy (unklerhaukus):

yeah 3 is a factor also

OpenStudy (unklerhaukus):

the largest common factor between 210 and 180 is 10x3 = 30

OpenStudy (anonymous):

\[30a^8(7a^6-6c)\]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Not sure with my answer though.

OpenStudy (unklerhaukus):

THat is correct!!

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Sorry if I bother you alot.....Im a freshmen in college taking up civil engineering....

OpenStudy (anonymous):

really?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

let me try x(m+n)-(m+n)

OpenStudy (unklerhaukus):

to check it, just go back the other way, and hopefully you'll get what you started with \[30a^8(7a^6−6c)\\=30a^8\times7a^6+30a^8\times-6c\\ =210a^{8+6}-180a^8c\]

OpenStudy (unklerhaukus):

hint x(m+n)-(m+n) is the same as x(m+n)-1(m+n)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

(x-1)(m+n)?

OpenStudy (unklerhaukus):

Yes, Great stuff !

OpenStudy (anonymous):

If you do not have enough time to teach me anymore its ok. I'll try to ask someone else.... Just tell me if you need to go.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Cause i might have alot of questions.

OpenStudy (unklerhaukus):

i can do one, more, but after that maybe you should close this post and start a new one

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Oh? your going?

OpenStudy (unklerhaukus):

i can do one more

OpenStudy (anonymous):

\[6a^2b^4-18a^2b^5-14a^4b^8\]

OpenStudy (unklerhaukus):

this one has three terms but the idea is the same \[wx+wy+wz = w(x+y+z)\]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

wait im still solving.....

OpenStudy (anonymous):

\[2a^2b^4(3a-9b-7b^4)\]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Looks like Im wrong

OpenStudy (unklerhaukus):

almost, you did find the right common factor to factor out, but \[2a^2b^4(3a−9b−7b^4)=6a^3b^4-18a^2b^5-14a^2b^8 \] which isn't quite the same as \(6a^2b^4−18a^2b^5−14a^4b^8\)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

wait i gave the wrong question...

OpenStudy (anonymous):

\[6a^3b^4-18a^2b^5-14a^4b^8\]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

There it is....

OpenStudy (unklerhaukus):

the last term still isn't right

OpenStudy (anonymous):

\[2a^2b^4(3a-9b-7a^2b^4)\]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

yeah i know....

OpenStudy (unklerhaukus):

\[2a^2b^4(3a-9b-7a^2b^4)\\=2a^2b^4\times3a+2a^2b^4\times-9b+2a^2b^4\times-7a^2b^4)\\=(2\times3)a^{2+1}b^4+(2\times-9)a^2b^{4+1}+(2\times-7)a^{2+2}b^{4+4}\\ =6a^3b^4-18a^2b^5-14a^4b^8\] look like you got it!

OpenStudy (anonymous):

you sure?

OpenStudy (unklerhaukus):

i can't see any thing wrong with the working, (other than that extra parenthesis)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

parentesis is part of it right?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

If you should go tell me.... I'll ask help from solomonZelman

OpenStudy (unklerhaukus):

i just mean i typed it a bit wrong\[2a^2b^4(3a-9b-7a^2b^4)\\=2a^2b^4\times3a+2a^2b^4\times-9b+2a^2b^4\times-7a^2b^4\color{red})\\=(2\times3)a^{2+1}b^4+(2\times-9)a^2b^{4+1}+(2\times-7)a^{2+2}b^{4+4}\\ =6a^3b^4-18a^2b^5-14a^4b^8\] this extra parenthesis

OpenStudy (unklerhaukus):

i'm pretty sure you got it right

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Ok. Well maybe i should open a new question then....

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