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OpenStudy (anonymous):

An interesting problem , I came across that i would like to share.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

If a ,b ,c > 0 (b+c-a)(c+a-b)(a+b-c) -abc is (a)Positve (b)Negative (c)Non-positive (d)Non-negative

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

AM-GM inequality gives a nice proof :)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

So which option

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

c

OpenStudy (anonymous):

It is b actually

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

ahh yes ! it is 0 only when a,b,c are all 0

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

you want to prove how you got b ? :)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Yes! , no i just wanted to share it , i know how to get to b actually :) How do you know if a,b,c are all not zero

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

if a,b,c are all 0, then the expression equals 0 and it wont be negative anymore !

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

share your proof also if possible :)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

but you now know it is negative, actually not my proof , i saw the sollution after thinking on it

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

yes, anything is fine

OpenStudy (anonymous):

You are also right

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

i think the key thing to notice is : \[\large (a+b-c) + (b+c-a)+(c+a-b) = a+b+c\]

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

then by AM-GM inequality : \[\large \sqrt[3]{(a+b-c) (b+c-a)(c+a-b)} \lt \dfrac{a+b+c}{3}\]

OpenStudy (larseighner):

If there is one of a,b,c, which is greater than the other two, exactly one of the trinomial factors is negative, so the first product is negative and since abc must be positive, the result must be negative.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Yes both are correct

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Consider a , b , c as sides of a triangle

OpenStudy (anonymous):

The sum of two sides is always greater than the third side

OpenStudy (anonymous):

So , (b+c-a)(c+a-b)(a+b-c) is always positive

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Applying AM-GM inequality , we arrive at the result that they are negative

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

applying AM-GM inequality is the tricky part, how do u apply ? i still feel stuck :o

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

looks below won't yield anything useful \[\large \sqrt[3]{(a+b-c) (b+c-a)(c+a-b)} \lt \dfrac{a+b+c}{3}\]

OpenStudy (larseighner):

if two of a,b,c are equal, the product of the trinomials is a negative number times a square, which must be negative, so the result is negative.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

\[\frac{(b+c-a)+(c+a-b) }{ 2 } \ge \sqrt{(b+c-a)(c+a-b)}\]

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

yes the problem with that logic is it wont work when a,b,c are sides of triangle @LarsEighner

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

nice xD

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Taking more such AM-GM inequalities with different pairs WE will get abc on L.H.S when we multiply all three eqautions

OpenStudy (anonymous):

It came in 1986 nice problem

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

got it completely :) somehow i have been wasting time messing around three terms lol

OpenStudy (larseighner):

However it appears to me (I could be wrong) if a=b=c, then the expression evaluates to zero. So it is not in general negative.

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

yeah thats the reason they constrained a,b,c > 0

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

if we let a,b,c to be negative, the expression gives positives also i guess

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

need to check...

OpenStudy (larseighner):

So the answer appears to be d.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

It is b actually

OpenStudy (larseighner):

If a=b=c, a,b,c > 0 b+c-a)(c+a-b)(a+b-c) -abc => (2a -a)^3 - a^3 (a)^3 - a^3 = 0 b is clearly wrong and d is the answer.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

I am not trying to argue with you sir , but it was an official exam called IIT , which had this question and the answer was "B"

OpenStudy (larseighner):

The exam was wrong. Algebra does not lie. Test makers sometimes make mistakes.

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

that looks interesting a = b = c a^3 - a^3 = 0 hmm so the question needs to be reviewed

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

that should make \(c\) as the answer right ? non-positive

OpenStudy (larseighner):

Oh yes. It is c.

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