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OpenStudy (mokeira):

Please explain, i am getting smaller area

OpenStudy (mokeira):

OpenStudy (tylerd):

so 100 x 130 = 13000

OpenStudy (tylerd):

115 x 115 = 13225

OpenStudy (tylerd):

im not sure what the secret rule is here but, actually that was a guess.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

its correct ...

OpenStudy (anonymous):

given the sum of the numbers the product is maximum if the numbers are individully half of the sum...

OpenStudy (mokeira):

i formed an inequality but got less...i think if i change the inequality sign i will get more

OpenStudy (tylerd):

11 x 9 = 99 10 x 10 = 100 same perimeter again

OpenStudy (tylerd):

ya

OpenStudy (tylerd):

interesting though

OpenStudy (mokeira):

so you are using trial and error?

OpenStudy (tylerd):

no

OpenStudy (tylerd):

i got the 115, by subtracting 15 from 130 and adding it to 100

OpenStudy (anonymous):

can be proved using calculus...

OpenStudy (anonymous):

(100+130)/2

OpenStudy (tylerd):

ya the average

OpenStudy (phi):

make a new rectangle that is closer to a square in shape

OpenStudy (tylerd):

it cant be...

OpenStudy (tylerd):

just took the perimeter of 230 2piR = 230 230/2pi = r A=piR^2 = 1344.86

OpenStudy (mokeira):

hmmm....this is interesting ...so you used the average?

OpenStudy (tylerd):

ya thats the best way to do it

OpenStudy (tylerd):

turn it into a square

OpenStudy (mokeira):

ok...hold that thought. let me give you a similar question, with a little twist though

OpenStudy (mokeira):

here it is

OpenStudy (tylerd):

60 x 105 = 6300 330 = perimeter

OpenStudy (mokeira):

uh..you should just form an equation for perimeter with lets say x and y...then form an inequality for area...that works for both instances

OpenStudy (tylerd):

115 x 50 = 5750

OpenStudy (tylerd):

in this case i just made it less like a square

OpenStudy (tylerd):

shaved a 10 off of 60 added it to 105

OpenStudy (mokeira):

hmm.... i see how you did it now

OpenStudy (mokeira):

but there must be a formula to it

OpenStudy (tylerd):

wait a ^(#)^(#ing minute here

OpenStudy (tylerd):

1 x 164

OpenStudy (tylerd):

is as small as you can get it with the same perimeter 330

OpenStudy (tylerd):

you could probably come up with an equation for it but its just arithmetic really.

OpenStudy (mokeira):

lol ... i wouldnt have guessed that

OpenStudy (mokeira):

yeah...i guess it is

OpenStudy (phi):

it is not trivial to show that if you hold the perimeter constant, that the shape that gives the max area is a square, and the shape that gives min area is a rectangle that is *almost* a thin line. (very very long and very short height)

OpenStudy (tylerd):

would it reach a point where one side is so small that the area actually becomes bigger?

OpenStudy (phi):

if we let x+y= P (where P stands for ½ of the perimeter) then y= P-x and area A= x*y= x(P-x) A= -x^2 + xP do you know how to "complete the square" ? Write this as \[ A= - ( x^2 - xP + \frac{P^2}{4} - \frac{P^2}{4} ) \] (I factored out a minus sign. I added and subtracted P^2/4 (so nothing changes) But we now have a perfect square \[ A= -\left ( \left (x - \frac{P}{2} \right)^2- \frac{P^2}{4} \right) \] distribute the minus sign: \[ A= \frac{P^2}{4} - \left (x - \frac{P}{2} \right)^2\] now we notice that the area is p^2/4 minus a number (the messy stuff squared) that squared number is *never* negative. It is either 0 or bigger. if it is 0, then the area will be the biggest possible. In other words, the biggest area is when \[ \left (x - \frac{P}{2} \right)^2 = 0 \\ x-\frac{P}{2} =0 \\ x= \frac{P}{2} \] and using y= P-x, when y= \(\frac{P}{2}\) i.e. when x=y= \(\frac{P}{2}\) , a square

OpenStudy (mokeira):

@cece1902

OpenStudy (anonymous):

sorry what is this about

OpenStudy (tylerd):

phi = god

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