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OpenStudy (anonymous):

I am not certain of this answer 17. @jim_thompson5910

OpenStudy (fibonaccichick666):

17 is a very fun logic question!

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

hint for #17: one of those statements has a contrapositive that is very useful

OpenStudy (anonymous):

If it's not q, then it's not p. Now it only says it was Friday, it does not state that he met with his friends :/ @jim_thompson5910

OpenStudy (fibonaccichick666):

so, it's friday

OpenStudy (fibonaccichick666):

walk through what it means

OpenStudy (fibonaccichick666):

personally, i disagree with the answers, but i know which they want

OpenStudy (anonymous):

How do I know if he ordered pizza when I don't know if he met his friends ? :/

OpenStudy (fibonaccichick666):

so, what is the first thing you know for certain?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

It's Friday.

OpenStudy (fibonaccichick666):

100% true

OpenStudy (fibonaccichick666):

ok now, the first statement tells us that for every single friday, he plays soccer

OpenStudy (fibonaccichick666):

what does it mean if he plays soccer?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

-If he meets his friends, he orders pizza.

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

What is the contrapositive of each statement given?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

If Luan doesn't play soccer, then it's not Friday. IF Luan does not order pizza, then Luan did not meet with his friends. If he does not play soccer, then he did not meet with his friends. Therefore, Luan will order pizza?

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

"If he does not play soccer, then he did not meet with his friends." is not the correct contrapositive

OpenStudy (anonymous):

It sounds like a converse, but the "it's" and "then it's" format doesn't make sense :/

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

the original third statement is "if he does not meet with friends, then he does not play soccer"

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

flip the two, then negate each piece so change "he does not play soccer" to "he does play soccer" (notice how I changed the negative to positive) and same for the other piece

OpenStudy (anonymous):

If he does play soccer, he does meet with his friends.

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

good

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

so because we know the contrapositive is equivalent to the original, we know that "if he does not meet with friends, then he does not play soccer" and "If he does play soccer, he does meet with his friends." are equivalent statements

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

Now let's set up this notation P: it is friday Q: he plays soccer R: he meets his friends S: he orders pizza

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

Using that shorthand notation, we can write the first statement as "If P, then Q"

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

and using the same notation, we can write the contrapositive of the third statement as "If Q, then R"

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

how can you combine "If P, then Q" & "If Q, then R"

OpenStudy (anonymous):

If it is friday, then he plays soccer. If he plays soccer, then he meets his friends .

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

how can you combine those statements into one statement (of the form "If this, then that")?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

If it is friday, then he plays soccer and then meets his friends . OR If it is friday, then he plays soccer and meets his friends .

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

Ok let's say we know 100% that it is friday

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

since that is the case, then we know he plays soccer and if he plays soccer, then he meets with his friends

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

so you can see this chain reaction forming: if A, then B, which leads to C or...we can shorten things and say "if we start with A, then we lead ultimately to C"

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

which means that if it's friday, then he meets with his friends

OpenStudy (fibonaccichick666):

^that's called the transitive property :)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Option B is eliminated :)

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

so if we know it's friday, that leads to us knowing he'll meet with friends what can you do with this info to get to the next step?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

I still believe it's C. Luan will order pizza..

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

correct

OpenStudy (anonymous):

I said that before though.... :/

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

before you put D as your answer for 17

OpenStudy (anonymous):

and in the contrapositive explaining part I put "Luan will order pizza?" I think the question mark was the bad part- haha..

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

oh nvm, I see what you mean above I was referring to an earlier post

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

yeah I see it now

OpenStudy (anonymous):

It's okay- thank you sooo much for explaining :)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

!!**

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

you're welcome

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