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OpenStudy (broskishelleh):

Can I please have help? @campbell_st

OpenStudy (broskishelleh):

OpenStudy (broskishelleh):

@amistre64 @e.mccormick

OpenStudy (broskishelleh):

Can we start with question 2

OpenStudy (broskishelleh):

Please help me, I beg

OpenStudy (broskishelleh):

@phi @ganeshie8

OpenStudy (amistre64):

any functions of more than 1 operation come to mind?

OpenStudy (broskishelleh):

6x + 1h - 1

OpenStudy (amistre64):

thats more of a function of 2 variables, which isnt what i think the question is asking for

OpenStudy (broskishelleh):

How, so should I do it?

OpenStudy (amistre64):

lets say f(x) is the name of our function: we define f(x) by some rule or mathematical sentence: f(x) = (x-1)/4 is some definition for f(x) that provides us with 2 operations (addition and division). agreed?

OpenStudy (broskishelleh):

ok

OpenStudy (amistre64):

if this is truely a function then if f(a)=f(b) only if a=b; let a,b be any real number and set up the situation that f(a) = f(b) and see if we can reduce it to a=b

OpenStudy (broskishelleh):

Ok, I understand

OpenStudy (amistre64):

(a-1)/4 = (b-1)/4 a-1 = b-1 a = b

OpenStudy (broskishelleh):

Is (a-1)/4 = (b-1)/4 our function or f(x) = (x-1)/4 is?

OpenStudy (amistre64):

our function has a name, and a definition. we use the definition to prove that our function is actually a function

OpenStudy (broskishelleh):

I see...okay!

OpenStudy (broskishelleh):

so our definition proves a = b, correct?

OpenStudy (amistre64):

your materials should define how to prove a function is a function; your job is to pretty much repeat it in your explanation.

OpenStudy (broskishelleh):

Whizh question does it answer, 2 or 3 or 4?

OpenStudy (amistre64):

the one that says to prove the function is a function of course ....

OpenStudy (amistre64):

one question says top define a function with 2 operations another says to prove its a function another says to solve for a specific value of x

OpenStudy (amistre64):

im having issues with how i defined a function; since its based from memory ... how does your material define the method for proving a function is a function?

OpenStudy (amistre64):

example: f(x) = x^2 since for some x=a: a^2 only has one value associated with it.

OpenStudy (amistre64):

but say a = -2, and b=2 a^2 = b^2 does not imply that a=b

OpenStudy (broskishelleh):

Okay it just implies a^2 = b^2 nothing else

OpenStudy (amistre64):

right, so its not a good memory recollection on how to prove a function is a valid function :)

OpenStudy (broskishelleh):

Understood

OpenStudy (anonymous):

@amistre64 the definition you gave is for one-to-one functions. Still a valid way to show your function is indeed a function, though.

OpenStudy (amistre64):

yeah, but its only valid for a 1-1 function .... was trying to recall a more general proof.

OpenStudy (amistre64):

spose our function is: x*x + 1 2 operations, it is a function. how to show it?

OpenStudy (broskishelleh):

I am lost, what was our function?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Right. The one-to-one definition is the horizontal line test, whereas any function would be the vertical line test. In terms of math, that would be something like \[f(x)\text{ is a function if you can map a single output to any one input}\] if that makes sense...

OpenStudy (amistre64):

'our function' is still defined up above

OpenStudy (amistre64):

the last question makes me wonder if we are not spose to make an invertible function to start with.

OpenStudy (broskishelleh):

Can we do that

OpenStudy (amistre64):

we can, but you really need to consult your material to see how they define a 'true' function.

OpenStudy (amistre64):

this assessment is just trying to get you to repeat what the lesson material mentions.

OpenStudy (broskishelleh):

It didn't state a thing

OpenStudy (amistre64):

in order for you to find an inverse, at least without restricting a domain, is to have a 1-1 function ... in which the f(a) = f(b) implies a=b would do the trick.

OpenStudy (broskishelleh):

I am not sure how to make our function into that

OpenStudy (amistre64):

f(x) = (x-1)/4 is a one to one function, and implies that f(a) = f(b) only iff a=b

OpenStudy (broskishelleh):

so our function was already 1 to 1?

OpenStudy (amistre64):

as defined, yes

OpenStudy (broskishelleh):

So we finished? Or we have to find how to find the inverse?

OpenStudy (amistre64):

since our function is 1-1, then by default, there is a unique y value for any given x value.

OpenStudy (amistre64):

we find an inverse such that f(f'(x)) = x and f'(f(x)) = x using our definition: f(f'(x)) = (f'(x)-1)/4 x = (f'(x)-1)/4 4x = f'(x)-1 4x+1 = f'(x) therefore: f(f'(x)) = (4x+1)/4 = x does f'(f(x)) = x? try it out: 4(4-1)/4 + 1 = x

OpenStudy (amistre64):

*** edit ... try it out: 4(x-1)/4 + 1 = x

OpenStudy (broskishelleh):

Okay

OpenStudy (amistre64):

then our inverse is f'(x) = 4x+1

OpenStudy (broskishelleh):

I have to do the new one

OpenStudy (amistre64):

not sure what a new one is ....

OpenStudy (broskishelleh):

4(x-1)/4 + 1 = x equals all real numbers

OpenStudy (broskishelleh):

f'(x) = 4x+1 is our inverse?

OpenStudy (amistre64):

yes, and it shows that for any f(x) we can determine what x should be spose f(x) = 5 5 = (x-1)/4, we can solve for x

OpenStudy (amistre64):

yes: f'(x) = 4x + 1 would be the inverse of our defined f(x)

OpenStudy (broskishelleh):

Thank you so much!

OpenStudy (amistre64):

good luck with it all :)

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