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OpenStudy (rational):

HELP!! http://prntscr.com/4f5b3i

OpenStudy (rational):

i have no idea where to start this >.<

OpenStudy (ikram002p):

d is the devisors of n and \( \sigma (n)\) is sum of devisors function ?

OpenStudy (rational):

yes

OpenStudy (rational):

this explains the notation clearly : http://prntscr.com/4f5efd

OpenStudy (ikram002p):

ok , start from here \(\sum_{d|n} 1/d=1/d_1+1/d_2+1/d_3 +..+1/d_k\) idk if thiss leads any where \( 1/d_1+1/d_2+1/d_3 +..+1/d_k \\ = d_2d_3..dk+d_1d_3..dk+...+d_1d_2..dk+d_2d_3..d_{k}/ d_1d_2d_3 ...d_k \)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Consider how \[ n\times \frac 1d_i = \frac nd_i = d_i' \]Where \(d_i'd_i = n\)

OpenStudy (ikram002p):

oh

OpenStudy (rational):

\[\large n = d_i * \dfrac{n}{d_i}\]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

I'm guessing \[ d_i' = d_{k - i} \quad k = \tau(n) \]When you order the divisors.

OpenStudy (ikram002p):

cool ! it works now

OpenStudy (ikram002p):

we only need to multiply by n/n >.<

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Yeah, multiply by \(n/n\) seems to work.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

The only subtle part is to show that there is a one to one correspondence to divisors and quotient.

OpenStudy (rational):

you want to compute ? \[ \dfrac{1}{n}\sum \limits_{d|n} n/d\]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

@rational \[ f(d) = \frac nd \]In this case, \(f\) is a one to one function form the set of divisors to the set of divisors.

OpenStudy (rational):

\[\dfrac{1}{n}\sum \limits_{d|n} n/d = \dfrac{1}{n}\sum \limits_{d|n} d = \dfrac{\sigma(n)}{n} \] sweet :3

OpenStudy (ikram002p):

it is sweet :o i almost forgot how these funtions are awesome

OpenStudy (rational):

yes, as \(d\) ranges over all the divisors of \(n\), so does \(\dfrac{n}{d}\), so both sums evaluate to same nujmber

OpenStudy (rational):

Or we could have simply substituted the dummy variable \(d = \dfrac{n}{d}\) to make it look more plausible : \[\large \sum \limits_{d|n} 1/d = \sum \limits_{\frac{n}{d}|n} d/n = \dfrac{1}{n} \sum \limits_{\frac{n}{d}|n} d = \dfrac{\sigma(n)}{n}\]

OpenStudy (ikram002p):

both work

OpenStudy (ikram002p):

:o

OpenStudy (rational):

thank you both :)

OpenStudy (ikram002p):

thank you for refreshing >.<

OpenStudy (rational):

http://prntscr.com/4f5pyo i have worked 9th question, need help with 10th question

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

any ideas on how to start #10a ?

OpenStudy (ikram002p):

there is a function u(n) mmm we could use

OpenStudy (ikram002p):

brb , i think i worked this before

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

ok

OpenStudy (ikram002p):

ok hope this make since \(\large \frac{\sigma(n)}{n}=\sum_{d|n} 1/d >1 \\\large \therefore \frac{n}{\sigma(n)}<1 \) next :- \( \large \frac{n}{\sigma(n)}= n \prod_{i=1}^r \frac{p_i-1}{p_i^{k_i+1}-1} \)

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

yes <1 is clear

OpenStudy (ikram002p):

\( \large \frac{n}{\sigma(n)}= n \prod_{i=1}^r \frac{p_i-1}{p_i^{k_i+1}-1}\\\large = (p_1^{k_{1}}.p_2^{k_{2}}...p_r^{k_{r}})\prod_{i=1}^r \frac{p_i-1}{p_i^{k_i+1}-1} \\\large = \prod_{i=1}^r \frac{p_i^{k_i}(p_i-1)}{p_i^{k_i+1}-1} \)

OpenStudy (ikram002p):

@ganeshie8 wow ! finally ! >.<

OpenStudy (ikram002p):

\( \large \prod_{i=1}^r \frac{p_i^{k_i}(p_i-1)}{p_i^{k_i+1}-1}> \prod_{i=1}^r \frac{p_i^{k_i}(p_i-1)}{p_i^{k_i+1} } = \prod_{i=1}^r \frac{p_i^{k_i}(p_i-1)}{p^i .p_i^{k_i } }\\\large = \prod_{i=1}^r \frac{ (p_i-1)}{p_i } = \prod_{i=1}^r 1- \frac{ 1}{p_i } \)

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

just wonderful !!!!! XD

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

\[\large \begin{align} \\ \prod \limits_{1\le i \le r} \left(1- \dfrac{1}{p_i}\right) &= \prod \limits_{1\le i \le r} \left(\dfrac{p_i-1}{p_i}\right) \\~\\ &= \prod \limits_{1\le i \le r} \left(\dfrac{p_i^{k_i}(p_i-1)}{p_i^{k_i+1}}\right) \\~\\ &= n\prod \limits_{1\le i \le r} \left(\dfrac{p_i-1}{p_i^{k_i+1}}\right) \\~\\ & \lt \dfrac{n}{\sigma(n)} \\~\\ \end{align} \]

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

for part b : \[\large \begin{align} \\ \dfrac{\sigma(n!)}{n!} &= \sum \limits_{d|n!}\dfrac{1}{d} \\~\\ &\ge 1 + \dfrac{1}{2} + \dfrac{1}{3} + \cdots + \dfrac{1}{n} ~~\color{gray}{\because d \in \{1,2,3\cdots n\} | n} \end{align} \]

OpenStudy (ikram002p):

yeah direct ! ohh u wanna c as well

OpenStudy (ikram002p):

the Hint solved it >.<

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

Not yet, im still not sure how to use the hint :S

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

\(n | n\) and for composite numbers, there always exists another divisor \(\gt \sqrt{n}\) so the sum has to be \(\large \gt n + \sqrt{n}\)

OpenStudy (ikram002p):

i see it clear in hint but i cant like type/explain it neat

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

im becoming lazy because of MSE

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

posting questions without even trying >.<

OpenStudy (ikram002p):

oh i get bored of that site >.< good question , but hehe i cant type long answer xd anyway liked u said n is also divisors and there is at least d < sqrt n

OpenStudy (ikram002p):

what else u have ?

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