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OpenStudy (anonymous):

Why is the answer to number ten not positive? http://cdn.kutasoftware.com/Worksheets/Calc/01%20-%20Limits%20at%20Infinity.pdf

OpenStudy (anonymous):

It is a calculus question

OpenStudy (tkhunny):

Numerator > 0 Denominator < 0

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Ok, so what i did was I got rid of the plus one and plus two because they don't matter when x approaches negative infinity, then I simplified the numerator to x times root 2 over 4x, then I cancelled the x's out, leaving root 2 over 4. Where does the negative come from? Where did I mess up?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

If what I said makes any sense

OpenStudy (e.mccormick):

How did you address the square root?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

What do you mean?

OpenStudy (e.mccormick):

Well, you have a square root of a square... so the value is always positive.

OpenStudy (tkhunny):

There is no "cancelled .. out". From the ORIGINAL statement, the numerator MUST be positive and the denominator MUST be negative. You must understand this condition before you start adjusting the expression. \(\sqrt{x^{2}} = |x|\) unless you know that x > 0

OpenStudy (anonymous):

This is what I did: \[(\sqrt{2x ^{2}+1})/4x+2\]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Then I dropped the +1 and +2

OpenStudy (tkhunny):

I hope not. You should have tried \(\sqrt{2x^{2}+2}/(4x+2)\) -- The parentheses are NOT optional.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Then I got \[(\sqrt{2x ^{2}})/4x\]

OpenStudy (e.mccormick):

Here, take a look at a graph of it:

OpenStudy (tkhunny):

You are about to make the error.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

What parentheses?

OpenStudy (tkhunny):

The parentheses in the denominator that you failed to write when you wrote the entire expression differently.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

I dont follow

OpenStudy (anonymous):

I didn't do anything to the denominator except drop the +2

OpenStudy (anonymous):

I only put in parentheses to show it is a rational expression

OpenStudy (tkhunny):

\(\dfrac{\sqrt{2x^{2}+1}}{4x+2}\ne (\sqrt{2x^{2}+1})/4x+2\)

OpenStudy (tkhunny):

You just wrote it incorrectly. Let's get back to \(\sqrt{2x^{2}}/4x\) You are about to make the fatal error.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Ignore the parentheses, those aren't in the actual problem. I only put them there when I was typing because I didn't know how to make a fraction in the equation thing

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Ok, so the "fatal error"

OpenStudy (tkhunny):

You are not seeing the incorrectness of the expression. The way you write it was INCORRECT. It is not a matter of interpretation. What was your next step? That was the fatal error.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Ok, so I broke SQRT(2x^2) into SQRT(2) times SQRT (x^2)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

And then I simplified it to xSQRT(2)

OpenStudy (tkhunny):

There is it! \(\sqrt{x^{2}} = x\) ONLY IF we know \(x>0\). In this case, we KNOW x < 0, therefore \(\sqrt{x^{2}} = -x\)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Ehhhhhh ok

OpenStudy (anonymous):

I figured I did something stupid

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Ok, that makes MUCH more sense

OpenStudy (anonymous):

So if x was approaching positive infinity, it would be a POSITIVE solution?

OpenStudy (tkhunny):

This symbol, \(\sqrt{}\) means the principle (or positive) square root. You had to know that up front or you were very likely to trip over it along the way. Don't beat yourself up. Other may get this problem correct, but I suspect they will not know why. Be very careful with the ORIGINAL structure. Don't lose it along the way. Positive leads to positive. That is right.

OpenStudy (e.mccormick):

One definition of absolute value is: \(|x|=\sqrt{x^2}\) The logic being that the squaring makes it always positive. That is what makes the graph look like it does.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Ok, I forgot about the plus or minus sq root thing. Thanks a lot for the help!!

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