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OpenStudy (anonymous):

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jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

what is your question?

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

we have 1/x x = 0 so replace x with 0, since x = 0, to get 1/x = 1/0 what do we get when we try to evaluate 1/0 ?

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

yes because you cannot divide by zero

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

so what kind of discontinuity?

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

good

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

what do you mean?

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

correct, for the same reason (you cannot divide by zero)

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

sure go for it

OpenStudy (anonymous):

for the 1+ kx , its x greater than or equal to 5

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

for each piece, what happens when x = 5?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

for the first it turns into 15 - k and the second 1+5k

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

so if we want this function to be continuous at x = 5, this must mean that the two pieces produce the same y output when x = 5

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

so essentially, they must be equal to each other when x = 5, so 15 - k = 1+5k now you solve for k

OpenStudy (anonymous):

@jim_thompson5910

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

I'm getting the same answer, nice job

OpenStudy (anonymous):

great!!

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

first factor the numerator and denominator

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

hmm now that I look at it, this is a cubic which is a pain to factor also, the cubic is x^3 - 3x^2 - 2x + 1 right?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

ok got it

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

I don't think x^3 - 3x^2 - 2x + 1 factors at all

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

is there a typo in x^3 - 3x^2 - 2x + 1 ?

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

oh is it x^3 - 3x^2 - 2x + 6 ?

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

ok I get (x^2 - 2)(x-3) now

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

the x-3 terms cancel

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

what discontinuity is associated with what we just canceled out?

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

no, x = 3 is removable because we have that cancellation

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

when you cancel out x-3, you are left with (x^2 - 2)/(x+3)

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

x = 3 is allowed in the domain of (x^2 - 2)/(x+3) so there are no discontinuities at x = 3 in (x^2 - 2)/(x+3)

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

however, to make sure the original expression (x^3 - 3x^2 - 2x + 6)/(x^2-9) and the expression (x^2 - 2)/(x+3) are equivalent, we have to remove x = 3 from the domain this is because x = 3 causes problems for the first expression

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

it is a removable discontinuity based on the reasoning I gave above

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

I recommend you compare the graphs of (x^3 - 3x^2 - 2x + 6)/(x^2-9) and (x^2 - 2)/(x+3)

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

one sec

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

I'm graphing using geogebra and I'll attach it

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

actually that wont work, nvm

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

notice how in the first expression (x^3 - 3x^2 - 2x + 6)/(x^2-9), if we plug in x = 3, we get 0 in the denominator however, if we plug that same value x = 3 into (x^2 - 2)/(x+3) we don't get 0 in the denominator

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

so x = 3 causes problems for (x^3 - 3x^2 - 2x + 6)/(x^2-9) but not for (x^2 - 2)/(x+3)

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

the two expressions (x^3 - 3x^2 - 2x + 6)/(x^2-9) and (x^2 - 2)/(x+3) are effectively equal they produce the same outputs for every x value in their domains...it's just that the first expression has a slightly different domain: it excludes x = 3 while the second does not exclude x = 3

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

to ensure the two expressions are fully equivalent, for all input x values, we must exclude x = 3 from both expressions so that is why x = 3 is a removable discontinuity

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

hopefully this makes sense?

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

no, by default if you don't mention "exclude or kick out x = 3" the second expression (x^2 - 2)/(x+3) would happily allow x = 3 into the domain x = 3 works just fine: it produces some y value when you plug it in

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

so you have to add in those instructions to ensure the two expressions are equal for all allowed x values

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

I'm not sure what you're asking to be honest

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

are you asking about the steps to simplify?

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

that's ok

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

and yes, you factor and then cancel out the common terms to simplify

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

well the first step is to find all of the discontinuities of the original expression

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

what are those discontinuities?

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

the original denominator is x^2 - 9

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

set that equal to zero and solve for x

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

don't worry about the cancellation yet

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

just focus on solving x^2 - 9 = 0

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

doing that gives x = -3 or x = 3

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

now when you cancel out the x-3 terms, only x+3 is left x+3 means x = -3 when you set it equal to zero so notice how the discontinuity x = 3 was removed

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

technically it's still a discontinuity

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

hmm not sure what else to add

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

but you can think of them as a point you remove from the graph (a single point) contrast that with a vertical asymptote

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

I can help when you get back

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