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OpenStudy (anonymous):

simplify the expression

OpenStudy (anonymous):

#20

OpenStudy (unklerhaukus):

#20 a.\[2^{8\log_2(x)}\] first, move the 8 to become the power of x

OpenStudy (unklerhaukus):

then use \[\large b^{\log_b A} =A\]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

so \[2^{\log _{2^{}}x ^{8}}\]

OpenStudy (unklerhaukus):

good. now cancel the base and the log

OpenStudy (anonymous):

how do i do that?

OpenStudy (unklerhaukus):

like the formula i gave above , except the base as 2, and the argument of the log is x^8

OpenStudy (anonymous):

i dont quite understand...

OpenStudy (unklerhaukus):

\[\large b^{\log_b A} =A\\ \large 2^{\log_2 (x^8)} =?\]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

just solve for x now?

OpenStudy (unklerhaukus):

no, you are simplifying the original expression

OpenStudy (unklerhaukus):

\[2^{8\log_2(x)}\\ =2^{\log_2(x^8)}\\=\qquad\qquad(\small\text{some expression in terms of } x)\]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

can we go step by step through this im not really understanding.

OpenStudy (unklerhaukus):

which step dont you understand, you got the first one right?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

simplifying it further from \[2^{\log _{2}x ^{8}}\]

OpenStudy (unklerhaukus):

just cancel the base with the log \[b^{\log_b(A)}\\ =\cancel{b^{\log_b}}\,^{(A)}\\ =A\]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

so it just cancels out and the answer is x^8

OpenStudy (unklerhaukus):

yes, note that you can only cancel because the base of the exponential is the same and the base of the log

OpenStudy (anonymous):

oh ok that makes sense. so as in problem D and E since they are not the same how does that work?

OpenStudy (unklerhaukus):

you'll have to use a change of base formula i think \[\log_bx=\frac{\log_cx}{\log_cb}\] for D you'll want to choose \(c\) to be 2

OpenStudy (anonymous):

what do you mean?

OpenStudy (unklerhaukus):

after you move the 3 into the index of x change \(\log_{1/2} x^3\) into \(\dfrac{\log_2(x^3)}{\log_2(1/2)}\)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

what happened to the 2 in front?

OpenStudy (unklerhaukus):

that 2 is still there, we are just working on its index at the moment,

OpenStudy (unklerhaukus):

now can you simplify the denominator log_2(1/2) ?

OpenStudy (unklerhaukus):

(it might help to rewrite 1/2 as some power of 2)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

so i got to changing \[\log_{1/2}x^3 \] into the other on as shown above and i dont know how it went to \[\log_{1/2} \to \log_{2} \] for both the numerator and denominator

OpenStudy (unklerhaukus):

the Change of Base Formula can be used for any new base \(c\), choosing \(c\to2\) mean that we will be able to cancel with the 2 out the front later

OpenStudy (anonymous):

ok. so how do we simplify this from here \[\log_{2}(x^3)/\log_{2}(1/2) \]

OpenStudy (unklerhaukus):

lets look at the denominator , \[\log_2(1/2)\] this can be simplified, if you first express 1/2 as some power of 2 1/2 = 2^?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

.5

OpenStudy (anonymous):

no nvm lol doesnt work

OpenStudy (unklerhaukus):

yes!, so that means \[\log_2(1/2) = \log_2(2^{0.5}) =\] can you simplify this further now?

OpenStudy (unklerhaukus):

remember \[\log_b A^n = n\log_bA\] and\[\log_bb =1\]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

this is where the 2 infront comes into play huh. it cancels out the bases

OpenStudy (unklerhaukus):

not yet, that 2 cancels soon, but not yet

OpenStudy (anonymous):

\[.5\log_{2}2 \]

OpenStudy (aum):

\(\large \frac 12 \ne 2^{0.5}\) \(\large \frac 12 = \frac {1}{2^{1}} = 2^{-1} \)

OpenStudy (unklerhaukus):

whoops

OpenStudy (anonymous):

???

OpenStudy (anonymous):

do it would be \[-1\log_{2}2 \]

OpenStudy (unklerhaukus):

we made a mistake, \(2^{1/2}\) is \(\sqrt 2\) \(2^{-1}\) is \(1/2\)

OpenStudy (unklerhaukus):

that's better, the numerator becomes \( -1\log_2(2)\) now can you simplify \(\log_2(2)\) ?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

.60

OpenStudy (unklerhaukus):

?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

no lol sorry i tried putting it into the calculator and it didnt really worked out

OpenStudy (unklerhaukus):

for any base\[\log_b(b)=1\]this is like \[b=b^1\]

OpenStudy (unklerhaukus):

so \[\log_2(2) =\,\dots\]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

2^1

OpenStudy (anonymous):

2

OpenStudy (unklerhaukus):

nope

OpenStudy (anonymous):

1?

OpenStudy (unklerhaukus):

yes, log_2(2) = 1

OpenStudy (anonymous):

ok

OpenStudy (unklerhaukus):

So this makes \[-1\log_2(2)\] = ?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

-1*1=-1

OpenStudy (unklerhaukus):

so we have \[\log_{1/2}(x^3)=\dfrac{\log_2(x^3)}{\log_2(1/2)}=\dfrac{\log_2(x^3)}{-1}\]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

yes no we simplify the top?

OpenStudy (unklerhaukus):

we can move the -1 somewhere , where can we put it?

OpenStudy (unklerhaukus):

remember that \(\frac1{-1}\)=-1

OpenStudy (anonymous):

i have no clue

OpenStudy (unklerhaukus):

\[=\dfrac{\log_2(x^3)}{-1}\\ =-\log_2(x^3)\] right? now used \(n\log_b(A)=\log_b(A^n)\)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

yes

OpenStudy (anonymous):

\[-3\log_{2}x \]

OpenStudy (unklerhaukus):

that is right, but we want to go the other way, we want the -3 as the index of the x

OpenStudy (anonymous):

\[\log_{2}x^-3 \]

OpenStudy (unklerhaukus):

yep

OpenStudy (anonymous):

\[\log_{2}x^{-3} \]

OpenStudy (unklerhaukus):

so we have shown that \[\log_{1/2}(x^3)=\dfrac{\log_2(x^3)}{\log_2(1/2)}=\dfrac{\log_2(x^3)}{-1}=\log_2(x^{-3})\]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

so then the 2 comes into play and wala \[x ^{-3}\]

OpenStudy (unklerhaukus):

YESS!!! \[\huge \color{red}\checkmark\]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

sweet so would we work e the same way?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

e)

OpenStudy (unklerhaukus):

yeah , E is very similar to D,

OpenStudy (anonymous):

so how can i find or express\[\log_{3}1/3 \]

OpenStudy (unklerhaukus):

1/3 = 3^?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

it would be \[\log_{3}3^{-?} \]

OpenStudy (unklerhaukus):

yeah log_3(1/3) = log_3(3^{-1})

OpenStudy (anonymous):

why -1?

OpenStudy (unklerhaukus):

\[\frac1x = x^{-1}\]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

ok so i have \[\log_{3}x ^{-1}/-1 \]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

so my answer to e) is \[x ^{1}\]or simply x?

OpenStudy (unklerhaukus):

great work

OpenStudy (anonymous):

awesome thank you so much. you have been such a great help!

OpenStudy (unklerhaukus):

\[\large\color{green} {\ddot\smile}\]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

hey on my attachment can you see #22. does th e and the ln cancel each other out and leave me 4x?

OpenStudy (unklerhaukus):

Yes!, \[\ln(A) =\log_e(A)\] so that \[e^{\ln(A)}=A\]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

\[e ^{4\ln x}\]

OpenStudy (unklerhaukus):

except its not equal to 4x, , you have to move the 4 into the index of the x before you cancel the e with the ln

OpenStudy (anonymous):

so it is \[x ^{4}\]

OpenStudy (unklerhaukus):

correct

OpenStudy (anonymous):

so in be x is squared so would it look like\[e ^{\ln (x ^{2}+1)^{3}}\]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

B) not be

OpenStudy (unklerhaukus):

yeah that is the right first step for 22. b.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

so simplified it would be \[x ^{4}+1\]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

sorry x^5

OpenStudy (unklerhaukus):

how'd you get that?

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