Can someone please help me with combination?
yea
its numbers 4, 5, 8, 12
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4 i think ia B because 8 is bigger than 4
ohh.. ok.. thankyou
5 is 5 because (pack of cards) = 52 / 2=26 then 26/5 = 5.2 so just put 5
ok... this is combination right?
idk what your asking
sorry what i mean is - in solving number 8 you use combination? :D
12 choose 8 12 choose 4 these are combinatorics
yea^
n choose k is just n pick k, divided by k!
ohh.. soo how about no. 8? its permutation??
i meant no. 5. sorry
yes
8 is scary lol .... id have to work it paper and pencil
all red cards, thats half the deck ...
26 cards to pick 5 from
and order doesnt matter so its not a permutation, right?
i think youre referring to combination.
yep. so 26 choose 5
coz permutation is concerned with arrangements??
correct, a perm is a reordering of elements ... since order doesnt matter, we have to divide the permutation by k! assuming we have n pick k permutations
\[^nC_k=\frac{^nP_k}{k!}\]
my answer is like a million+ is this correct??
26.25.24.23.22 -------------- 5.4.3.2 26.5.24.23.22 -------------- 4.3.2 26.5.6.23.22 -------------- 3.2 26.5.6.23.11 -------------- 3 26.10.23.11 quite possibly lol
not millions tho 260(253) is less then 75000
ohh.. sorry i forgot that you have to divide it with 5! .. ijust divided it with 5.. haha
:)
its 65,780?
thats what im getting
yeay. haha thanks amistre
yw
btw.. in no. 4 is the answer really B???
which is more: 12 choose 8 or 12 choose 4?
12 choose 4??
ok im confused.. and idrk
compute them. the computation process doesnt change any
ok..
wait just a sec
if you know that the binomial rows are symetric in pascals triangle; then 4 and 8 are the same distance from the ends and are therefore equal without any computations needed but the computations work regardless of flawed memorys
12.11.10.9.8.7.6.5 ----------------- 8.7.6.5.4.3.2 12.11.10.9 ---------- 4.3.2 12 choose 8 reduces to 12 choose 4
reduces is prolly bad wording .. simplifies?
theyre both 495. :O
yep, so they is equal
hahahaha... and to think the question just pours confusion into my head
amistre can you help me with 3 more nos.??
maybe, if 8 is one of them then i aint got a good approach yet.
its no. 7, 8, and 12 .. if its ok with you?
its ok.. :)
number 8 is tricky to me. 9 choose 3 maybe it but im having trouble 'believeing' that
pick any 3 points and they form a triangle, but the order we choose the same set of points doesnt matter so im believeing it more
hahaha.. well i could just skip that.. but how about nos. 7 and 12
7 is simple enough, its just multiplication of choices
choose 2 boys, that leaves 3 girls choose 2 girls, that leaves 3 boys
i kinda know this but.. im just confused on how to put it on place
\[\binom{b}{2}\binom{g}{3}\] \[\binom{g}{2}\binom{b}{3}\]
there are 6 boys in total and 3 girls in total ....
ok.. wait i think i got it!
just give me 2 minutes haha
spose there are 4 ways to pick a set 1 2 3 4 and 2 ways to pick each subset 1 2 3 4 1 2 1 2 1 2 1 2 then we have 4 ways to pick 2 ... 2+2+2+2 = 4(2)
so, there are 6 choose 2 ways to pick only 2 boys and for each set, there is 3 ways to pick 3 girls its just multiplication then :)
seriously??? :O :O :O
then that means i dont get it.
what is 6 choose 2? what is 3 choose 3?
i thout the answer in a.) is 35 coz.. what i did is use combination in boys and girls and add them up
adding is bad, since ive been mentioning multiplication
ohhh.. -_- ... im soo dumb. lool
6.5 --- = 6 choose 2 = 15 2 there are 15 ways to choose 2 boys from 6 now for each choice, there are 3 choose 3 girls that can be chosen .... well, 1 way to choose 3 girls from 3 girls sooo ... 15 ways to choose 1 is just 15(1)
wait!!1.. im quite right.. with the boys section but what i did in the girls that led me to "35" is that i use "6 choose 3" - which should be 3 choose 3
-_-
sooo the answer should be 15... :))
choosing 2 girls from 3 is: 3 choose 2 = 3 ways now there are 6 boys and 3 to choose to fill the spots, 6 choose 3 is: 6.5.4 ---- = 20 3.2 3 ways to gather 20 is 3(20)
ohh.. ok.. i got it. :D
num12 tho, im not sure if your material has a thrm, or if just brute mathing it would be acceptable
i think brute.. haha but our teacher says we can use other stuffs to prove it.
i think what he ment was like the pascal's triangle i guess
and we already answered letter a.
B is our homework
\[(a+b)^n =\binom{n}{0}a^nb^0+\binom{n}{1}a^{n-1}b^1+\binom{n}{2}a^{n-2}b^2+...+\binom{n}{n}a^0b^n\] if a=b=1 then we have \[(1+1)^n =\binom{n}{0}+\binom{n}{1}+\binom{n}{2}+...+\binom{n}{n}\] \[2^n =\binom{n}{0}+\binom{n}{1}+\binom{n}{2}+...+\binom{n}{n}\]
ohh WOOOWWW :O :O
but the question is slightly modified from this
we have: \[2^k=\binom{k+1}{0}+\binom{k+1}{1}+...+\binom{k+1}{r}\] where r might be k/2 this would be what a thrm would present to us, otherwise its just brute mathing it into submission
OHHH...
\[\binom{n}{x}+\binom{n}{x+1}=\binom{n+1}{x+1}\] 1 4 6 4 1 1 5 10 10 5 1 \[\binom{4}{0}+\binom{4}{1}=\binom{5}{1}\]
amistre.. is the process really long?
\[2^k=\binom{k+1}{0}+\binom{k+1}{1}+...+\binom{k+1}{r}\] \[2^k=\left[\binom{k+1}{0}\right]+\left[\binom{k+1}{1}\right]+...+\left[\binom{k+1}{r}\right]\] \[2^k=\left[\binom{k}{0}\right]+\left[\binom{k}{0}+\binom{k}{1}\right]+\left[\binom{k}{1}+\binom{k}{2}\right]+...+\left[\binom{k}{r-1}+\binom{k}{r}\right]\] \[2^k=2\left[\binom{k}{0}\right]+2\left[\binom{k}{1}\right]+2\left[\binom{k}{2}\right]+...+2\left[\binom{k}{r-1}\right]+\left[\binom{k}{r}\right]\] not too sure how to procede from that, i have an idea, ut nothing fleshed out yet
the typing it out is arduous :)
yeah, im at a loss there for any generality. unless youve got a thrm in your material already stated, brute mathing it out is the only 'simple' way i can see it
hahahha.. but seriuosly though THANKYOU very very much!
*seriously
maybe: \[2^k = \binom{k}{0}+\binom{k}{1}+\binom{k}{2}+....+\binom{k}{k}\] \[2^{k+1} = 2\binom{k}{0}+2\binom{k}{1}+2\binom{k}{2}+....+2\binom{k}{k}\] let k = n+1, \[2^{n+2} = 2\binom{n+1}{0}+2\binom{n+1}{1}+2\binom{n+1}{2}+....+2\binom{n+1}{n+1}\] nah, i cant seem to develop a generality from it :)
oh well, just compute it term for term, add them up and compare to the power of 2
\[2^4 = \binom{4}{0}+\binom{4}{1}+\binom{4}{2}+\binom{4}{3}+\binom{4}{4}\] \[2^4 = \binom{5}{1}+\binom{5}{3}+\binom{5}{5}\] lol, still not pulling it together
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