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OpenStudy (ulahlynn):

Can someone please help me with combination?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

yea

OpenStudy (ulahlynn):

its numbers 4, 5, 8, 12

OpenStudy (ulahlynn):

:)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

4 i think ia B because 8 is bigger than 4

OpenStudy (ulahlynn):

ohh.. ok.. thankyou

OpenStudy (anonymous):

5 is 5 because (pack of cards) = 52 / 2=26 then 26/5 = 5.2 so just put 5

OpenStudy (ulahlynn):

ok... this is combination right?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

idk what your asking

OpenStudy (ulahlynn):

sorry what i mean is - in solving number 8 you use combination? :D

OpenStudy (amistre64):

12 choose 8 12 choose 4 these are combinatorics

OpenStudy (anonymous):

yea^

OpenStudy (amistre64):

n choose k is just n pick k, divided by k!

OpenStudy (ulahlynn):

ohh.. soo how about no. 8? its permutation??

OpenStudy (ulahlynn):

i meant no. 5. sorry

OpenStudy (anonymous):

yes

OpenStudy (amistre64):

8 is scary lol .... id have to work it paper and pencil

OpenStudy (amistre64):

all red cards, thats half the deck ...

OpenStudy (amistre64):

26 cards to pick 5 from

OpenStudy (amistre64):

and order doesnt matter so its not a permutation, right?

OpenStudy (ulahlynn):

i think youre referring to combination.

OpenStudy (amistre64):

yep. so 26 choose 5

OpenStudy (ulahlynn):

coz permutation is concerned with arrangements??

OpenStudy (amistre64):

correct, a perm is a reordering of elements ... since order doesnt matter, we have to divide the permutation by k! assuming we have n pick k permutations

OpenStudy (amistre64):

\[^nC_k=\frac{^nP_k}{k!}\]

OpenStudy (ulahlynn):

my answer is like a million+ is this correct??

OpenStudy (amistre64):

26.25.24.23.22 -------------- 5.4.3.2 26.5.24.23.22 -------------- 4.3.2 26.5.6.23.22 -------------- 3.2 26.5.6.23.11 -------------- 3 26.10.23.11 quite possibly lol

OpenStudy (amistre64):

not millions tho 260(253) is less then 75000

OpenStudy (ulahlynn):

ohh.. sorry i forgot that you have to divide it with 5! .. ijust divided it with 5.. haha

OpenStudy (amistre64):

:)

OpenStudy (ulahlynn):

its 65,780?

OpenStudy (amistre64):

thats what im getting

OpenStudy (ulahlynn):

yeay. haha thanks amistre

OpenStudy (amistre64):

yw

OpenStudy (ulahlynn):

btw.. in no. 4 is the answer really B???

OpenStudy (amistre64):

which is more: 12 choose 8 or 12 choose 4?

OpenStudy (ulahlynn):

12 choose 4??

OpenStudy (ulahlynn):

ok im confused.. and idrk

OpenStudy (amistre64):

compute them. the computation process doesnt change any

OpenStudy (ulahlynn):

ok..

OpenStudy (ulahlynn):

wait just a sec

OpenStudy (amistre64):

if you know that the binomial rows are symetric in pascals triangle; then 4 and 8 are the same distance from the ends and are therefore equal without any computations needed but the computations work regardless of flawed memorys

OpenStudy (amistre64):

12.11.10.9.8.7.6.5 ----------------- 8.7.6.5.4.3.2 12.11.10.9 ---------- 4.3.2 12 choose 8 reduces to 12 choose 4

OpenStudy (amistre64):

reduces is prolly bad wording .. simplifies?

OpenStudy (ulahlynn):

theyre both 495. :O

OpenStudy (amistre64):

yep, so they is equal

OpenStudy (ulahlynn):

hahahaha... and to think the question just pours confusion into my head

OpenStudy (ulahlynn):

amistre can you help me with 3 more nos.??

OpenStudy (amistre64):

maybe, if 8 is one of them then i aint got a good approach yet.

OpenStudy (ulahlynn):

its no. 7, 8, and 12 .. if its ok with you?

OpenStudy (ulahlynn):

its ok.. :)

OpenStudy (amistre64):

number 8 is tricky to me. 9 choose 3 maybe it but im having trouble 'believeing' that

OpenStudy (amistre64):

pick any 3 points and they form a triangle, but the order we choose the same set of points doesnt matter so im believeing it more

OpenStudy (ulahlynn):

hahaha.. well i could just skip that.. but how about nos. 7 and 12

OpenStudy (amistre64):

7 is simple enough, its just multiplication of choices

OpenStudy (amistre64):

choose 2 boys, that leaves 3 girls choose 2 girls, that leaves 3 boys

OpenStudy (ulahlynn):

i kinda know this but.. im just confused on how to put it on place

OpenStudy (amistre64):

\[\binom{b}{2}\binom{g}{3}\] \[\binom{g}{2}\binom{b}{3}\]

OpenStudy (amistre64):

there are 6 boys in total and 3 girls in total ....

OpenStudy (ulahlynn):

ok.. wait i think i got it!

OpenStudy (ulahlynn):

just give me 2 minutes haha

OpenStudy (amistre64):

spose there are 4 ways to pick a set 1 2 3 4 and 2 ways to pick each subset 1 2 3 4 1 2 1 2 1 2 1 2 then we have 4 ways to pick 2 ... 2+2+2+2 = 4(2)

OpenStudy (amistre64):

so, there are 6 choose 2 ways to pick only 2 boys and for each set, there is 3 ways to pick 3 girls its just multiplication then :)

OpenStudy (ulahlynn):

seriously??? :O :O :O

OpenStudy (ulahlynn):

then that means i dont get it.

OpenStudy (amistre64):

what is 6 choose 2? what is 3 choose 3?

OpenStudy (ulahlynn):

i thout the answer in a.) is 35 coz.. what i did is use combination in boys and girls and add them up

OpenStudy (amistre64):

adding is bad, since ive been mentioning multiplication

OpenStudy (ulahlynn):

ohhh.. -_- ... im soo dumb. lool

OpenStudy (amistre64):

6.5 --- = 6 choose 2 = 15 2 there are 15 ways to choose 2 boys from 6 now for each choice, there are 3 choose 3 girls that can be chosen .... well, 1 way to choose 3 girls from 3 girls sooo ... 15 ways to choose 1 is just 15(1)

OpenStudy (ulahlynn):

wait!!1.. im quite right.. with the boys section but what i did in the girls that led me to "35" is that i use "6 choose 3" - which should be 3 choose 3

OpenStudy (ulahlynn):

-_-

OpenStudy (ulahlynn):

sooo the answer should be 15... :))

OpenStudy (amistre64):

choosing 2 girls from 3 is: 3 choose 2 = 3 ways now there are 6 boys and 3 to choose to fill the spots, 6 choose 3 is: 6.5.4 ---- = 20 3.2 3 ways to gather 20 is 3(20)

OpenStudy (ulahlynn):

ohh.. ok.. i got it. :D

OpenStudy (amistre64):

num12 tho, im not sure if your material has a thrm, or if just brute mathing it would be acceptable

OpenStudy (ulahlynn):

i think brute.. haha but our teacher says we can use other stuffs to prove it.

OpenStudy (ulahlynn):

i think what he ment was like the pascal's triangle i guess

OpenStudy (ulahlynn):

and we already answered letter a.

OpenStudy (ulahlynn):

B is our homework

OpenStudy (amistre64):

\[(a+b)^n =\binom{n}{0}a^nb^0+\binom{n}{1}a^{n-1}b^1+\binom{n}{2}a^{n-2}b^2+...+\binom{n}{n}a^0b^n\] if a=b=1 then we have \[(1+1)^n =\binom{n}{0}+\binom{n}{1}+\binom{n}{2}+...+\binom{n}{n}\] \[2^n =\binom{n}{0}+\binom{n}{1}+\binom{n}{2}+...+\binom{n}{n}\]

OpenStudy (ulahlynn):

ohh WOOOWWW :O :O

OpenStudy (amistre64):

but the question is slightly modified from this

OpenStudy (amistre64):

we have: \[2^k=\binom{k+1}{0}+\binom{k+1}{1}+...+\binom{k+1}{r}\] where r might be k/2 this would be what a thrm would present to us, otherwise its just brute mathing it into submission

OpenStudy (ulahlynn):

OHHH...

OpenStudy (amistre64):

\[\binom{n}{x}+\binom{n}{x+1}=\binom{n+1}{x+1}\] 1 4 6 4 1 1 5 10 10 5 1 \[\binom{4}{0}+\binom{4}{1}=\binom{5}{1}\]

OpenStudy (ulahlynn):

amistre.. is the process really long?

OpenStudy (amistre64):

\[2^k=\binom{k+1}{0}+\binom{k+1}{1}+...+\binom{k+1}{r}\] \[2^k=\left[\binom{k+1}{0}\right]+\left[\binom{k+1}{1}\right]+...+\left[\binom{k+1}{r}\right]\] \[2^k=\left[\binom{k}{0}\right]+\left[\binom{k}{0}+\binom{k}{1}\right]+\left[\binom{k}{1}+\binom{k}{2}\right]+...+\left[\binom{k}{r-1}+\binom{k}{r}\right]\] \[2^k=2\left[\binom{k}{0}\right]+2\left[\binom{k}{1}\right]+2\left[\binom{k}{2}\right]+...+2\left[\binom{k}{r-1}\right]+\left[\binom{k}{r}\right]\] not too sure how to procede from that, i have an idea, ut nothing fleshed out yet

OpenStudy (amistre64):

the typing it out is arduous :)

OpenStudy (amistre64):

yeah, im at a loss there for any generality. unless youve got a thrm in your material already stated, brute mathing it out is the only 'simple' way i can see it

OpenStudy (ulahlynn):

hahahha.. but seriuosly though THANKYOU very very much!

OpenStudy (ulahlynn):

*seriously

OpenStudy (amistre64):

maybe: \[2^k = \binom{k}{0}+\binom{k}{1}+\binom{k}{2}+....+\binom{k}{k}\] \[2^{k+1} = 2\binom{k}{0}+2\binom{k}{1}+2\binom{k}{2}+....+2\binom{k}{k}\] let k = n+1, \[2^{n+2} = 2\binom{n+1}{0}+2\binom{n+1}{1}+2\binom{n+1}{2}+....+2\binom{n+1}{n+1}\] nah, i cant seem to develop a generality from it :)

OpenStudy (amistre64):

oh well, just compute it term for term, add them up and compare to the power of 2

OpenStudy (amistre64):

\[2^4 = \binom{4}{0}+\binom{4}{1}+\binom{4}{2}+\binom{4}{3}+\binom{4}{4}\] \[2^4 = \binom{5}{1}+\binom{5}{3}+\binom{5}{5}\] lol, still not pulling it together

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