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OpenStudy (mathmath333):

find HCF

OpenStudy (mathmath333):

\(\Huge \tt \color{black}{(2^{100}-1,2^{120}-1)}\)

OpenStudy (mathmath333):

@ikram002p

OpenStudy (ikram002p):

hmmm idk any simply method , but both sides devide 3,11,31,41 thus gcf=3*11*31*41 hmm

OpenStudy (ikram002p):

@ganeshie8 have an idea ?

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

if \(\large a|b\), then \(\large 2^{a}-1 | 2^{b}-1\)

OpenStudy (mathmath333):

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OpenStudy (ikram002p):

:O i dont remember this

OpenStudy (mathmath333):

u mean a divided by b??

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

yes "a|b" is read as "a divides b"

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

for example : 2 | 6

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

5 | 25 etc

OpenStudy (ikram002p):

but :O

OpenStudy (mathmath333):

u mean 2^20

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

\(\large a|b \implies b = aq\) for some \(q\) so, \(\large \begin{align}2^{b}-1 &= a^{aq}-1\\~\\&=(2^a)^q-1\\~\\&=(2^a-1)(\text{some stuff})\end{align} \)

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

@ikram002p thats the proof for \(\large a|b \implies 2^a-1 | 2^b-1\)

OpenStudy (ikram002p):

yeah :O why i forget it :'(

OpenStudy (ikram002p):

but i still feel hmm something wrong about it

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

For this particular problem : Notice that \(\large \gcd(100,120) = 20\) \(\large 20|100 \implies 2^{20}-1 | 2^{100}-1\) \(\large 20|120 \implies 2^{20}-1 | 2^{120}-1\)

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

so \(\large 2^{20}-1\) is a common factor of both the given numbers, but how do we know it is the highest common factor ?

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

wrong about what ?

OpenStudy (ikram002p):

na nothing

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

we're using x^n-y^n formula remember, x-y is a factor of x^n-y^n ?

OpenStudy (mathmath333):

(x^2-y^2)=(x+y)(x-y)

OpenStudy (ikram002p):

im ok with it now

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

Okay please explain it to mathmath333, i gtg for now.. also we're not done with this problem because we have just proven that 2^20-1 is a common factor, but we don't know whether it is the highest or not yet

OpenStudy (ikram002p):

i cant stay online , however we might use ax+by=d

OpenStudy (ikram002p):

devide x=2^120-1 y=2^100-1 d=2^20-1 then show that (x/d ,y/d) are relativly prime

OpenStudy (ikram002p):

eclids algorithm solve it right ?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

what grade are you doing

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