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OpenStudy (marissalovescats):

Anyone wanna give a shot at helping me answer an AP Stats question?

OpenStudy (amistre64):

need to know more details

OpenStudy (marissalovescats):

Alright let me take a second and type the question and part a

OpenStudy (amistre64):

hope the site behaves enough to get thru it lol

OpenStudy (marissalovescats):

"Human body temperatures takes through the ear are typically 0.5 degrees higher than body temperatures taken orally. Making this adjustment and using the 1992 Journal of the American Medical Association article that reports the average oral body temperature as 98.2 degrees, we will assume that a Normal model with an average of 98.7 degrees and a standard deviation of 0.7 degrees is appropriate for body temperatures taken through the ear. a) An ear temperature of 97 degrees may indicate hypothermia (low body temperature). What percent of people have ear temperatures that may indicate hypothermia? Okay so, I'm not sure how to get to the answer but I feel like somehow it's fairly simple. I do know that in a Normal Model, 68% of the data is 1 standard deviation away from the mean, 95% is 2 standard deviations away and 99.7% is 3 standard deviations away.

OpenStudy (amistre64):

the empirical approximations prolly arent what they are looking for do you know what a zscore, maybe called a standard score, is?

OpenStudy (marissalovescats):

Yes we learned about z scores, it is like where the data is and if its above or below the mean or something like that

OpenStudy (marissalovescats):

It tells you how many standard deviations something is from the mean

OpenStudy (amistre64):

that is what we want to find to help us out. and is this work to be done by table, or by calculator?

OpenStudy (marissalovescats):

Why would we use that if they're not asking for standard deviations?

OpenStudy (amistre64):

you do realize that the empirical approximations that you mentioned tell us about probabilities base on standard deviations right?

OpenStudy (amistre64):

if we know how many standard deviations something is from the mean, then we can determine probabilities from it

OpenStudy (marissalovescats):

I don't understand a word you just said in that first part. I've never heard the word "empirical"

OpenStudy (marissalovescats):

Oh I can find the z-score and go to that table thing to find my answer right?

OpenStudy (amistre64):

well, in my textbook, many decades ago, the empirical rule is an approximation that states: 68% of the data is 1 standard deviation away from the mean, 95% is 2 standard deviations away and 99.7% is 3 standard deviations away.

OpenStudy (amistre64):

yes, the z score allows us to use the tables

OpenStudy (marissalovescats):

Oh our teacher just called it the 68-95-99.7 rule lol

OpenStudy (marissalovescats):

So I know the equation for z score but I'm not sure which numbers I'd use for it

OpenStudy (amistre64):

use the x, the mean, and the standard deviation stated in the problem of course

OpenStudy (marissalovescats):

I know but I'm not sure which is which

OpenStudy (marissalovescats):

I know the standard deviation of course

OpenStudy (amistre64):

we will assume that a Normal model with an average of 98.7 degrees and a standard deviation of 0.7 degrees a) An ear temperature of 97 degrees may indicate ...

OpenStudy (marissalovescats):

Okay that's what I thought so z=97-98.7/0.7 = -2.4 standard deviations below the mean

OpenStudy (marissalovescats):

So I'll go to a z score of -2.4 on my table but then I'm not sure how to use the table from there

OpenStudy (amistre64):

-2.428, a ztable tends to use 2 decimal points so id go with -2.43

OpenStudy (marissalovescats):

My table just uses 1 so that's why I went -2.4

OpenStudy (amistre64):

then thats fine too :)

OpenStudy (marissalovescats):

So there's a whole row of numbers for -2.4 under each column so which do I know to use?

OpenStudy (amistre64):

lol, the second decimal of course

OpenStudy (marissalovescats):

What do you mean?

OpenStudy (amistre64):

the side of the table should have the -2.4 the top of the table should have the rest of it: 0.03

OpenStudy (marissalovescats):

Ohhh because the value was really like -2.43

OpenStudy (amistre64):

where the row, -2.4, and the column, 0.03, cross at gives us a decimal value

OpenStudy (amistre64):

yep

OpenStudy (marissalovescats):

Ohhh so would that mean that 0.0075% of people have ear temperature that may indicate hypothermia? Or do I still need to move the decimal over and make it .75%?

OpenStudy (amistre64):

.0075 is a probability, a percentage needs to move the decimal

OpenStudy (marissalovescats):

Alright so 0.75% of people

OpenStudy (marissalovescats):

b) Find the interquartile range for ear temperatures Could you help with part b as well?

OpenStudy (marissalovescats):

I know the IQR is Q3-Q1

OpenStudy (amistre64):

what are the percentages for an interquartile range?

OpenStudy (marissalovescats):

25% and 75%

OpenStudy (amistre64):

we need to find the z scores that relate to these percentages

OpenStudy (amistre64):

look in the tables field for a value that is closest to .2500 and construct the z score form it

OpenStudy (marissalovescats):

.2514 at -0.67

OpenStudy (marissalovescats):

So is that our q1?

OpenStudy (marissalovescats):

and .7514 at 0.68 is our Q3?

OpenStudy (amistre64):

-0.67 seems fair to me yes now, by symmetry Q1 and Q3 differ only by a sign. chk z=.67 to see how close it is to .7500 if you have it with your table

OpenStudy (marissalovescats):

.67 is .7486

OpenStudy (amistre64):

now heres how we find the range we want. the z score tells us how many deviations we are from the mean sooo start with the mean, then add in a zscore multiple of the standard deviation

OpenStudy (amistre64):

.674 is what i get from the wolf, which should give us plus/minus .67

OpenStudy (marissalovescats):

Wait so which is it .67 or .68?

OpenStudy (amistre64):

id go with -.67 and .67 but thats just my call

OpenStudy (marissalovescats):

Okay and so that tells us the probability right?

OpenStudy (amistre64):

no, we are trying to reconstruct an interval; not a probability

OpenStudy (marissalovescats):

So now what do we do with those -.67 and .67 to find our Q3 and Q1?

OpenStudy (amistre64):

we are given probabilities and work it backwards so to speak into the interval

OpenStudy (amistre64):

since\[z=\frac{x-mean}{sd}\]we can work this to solve for x\[mean+ z(sd)=x\] we need an interval from \(x_1~to~x_2\)

OpenStudy (marissalovescats):

Okay and they are .67 and -.67 right? those are how many standard deviations the z score is above or below the mean So how do we find the Q1 and Q3 now

OpenStudy (marissalovescats):

I'm confused, an interval?

OpenStudy (amistre64):

yes, an interval .... a range of values.

OpenStudy (amistre64):

an interquartile range of values

OpenStudy (marissalovescats):

Yes Q3 and Q1 right?

OpenStudy (marissalovescats):

That is the info I need for this problem

OpenStudy (amistre64):

yes, and ive posted how we can rework the zscore formula to find x (q1 or q3)

OpenStudy (marissalovescats):

So do we use the avg temp and our new z scores and the same standard deviation to fint eh 2 different ones?

OpenStudy (amistre64):

we know the mean, the z score, and the standard deviation .... we simply solve for x

OpenStudy (amistre64):

yes

OpenStudy (marissalovescats):

So Q1=98.2 and Q3 = 99.7 ?

OpenStudy (marissalovescats):

So our IQR is 99.7-98.2 = 1.5

OpenStudy (amistre64):

our IQR is a range of values, an interval. and im getting 99.169 for q3

OpenStudy (marissalovescats):

Yeah but IQR is calculated by Q3-Q1

OpenStudy (amistre64):

this is where we get into some ambiguity with this term. but im pretty sure its not going to be the size of the difference ... but rather the actual interval that contains the values

OpenStudy (amistre64):

youll have to check your material to be sure. since im not basing my understanding off of any material but my memories

OpenStudy (amistre64):

i do see some sites defining it as q3-q1, so im not opposed to that as long as that is what your material is asking for

OpenStudy (marissalovescats):

I think I'm right and it's not that big 99 number because of part C "A new thermometer for the ear reports that it is more accurate than the ear thermometers currently on the market. If the avg temp stays the same (98.7) and the company reports an IQR of 0.5 degrees find the standard deviation for this new ear thermometer. And yeah my notes say IQR=Q3-Q1

OpenStudy (amistre64):

thats fine then :)

OpenStudy (marissalovescats):

So now can you help with C? :P

OpenStudy (amistre64):

well, we know the z score already from b so lets solve for the sd \[z=\frac{x-mean}{sd}\implies sd=\frac{x-mean}{z}\]

OpenStudy (amistre64):

let x be equal to mean + IQR/2 why?

OpenStudy (amistre64):

which reduces us to sd = IQR/(2z)

OpenStudy (marissalovescats):

I can't find a way to explain it but y=mean+IQR/2 makes sense

OpenStudy (marissalovescats):

So we get s=0.5/2(z) except idk what z is

OpenStudy (amistre64):

well, since the mean is half way in an interval that is IQR wide the mean + IQR/2 gives us the largest x value to play with

OpenStudy (amistre64):

\[sd=\frac{x-mean}{z}\] \[sd=\frac{mean+IQR/2-mean}{z}\] \[sd=\frac{IQR/2}{z}\] \[sd=\frac{IQR}{2z}\]

OpenStudy (marissalovescats):

Yes that I get and our IQR we were told is 0.5

OpenStudy (amistre64):

and we determined the z score was .67 for the |q1| or |q3|

OpenStudy (marissalovescats):

Oh we keep that ok

OpenStudy (marissalovescats):

So sd = 0.37 degrees yay

OpenStudy (amistre64):

thats seems good to me

OpenStudy (amistre64):

notice that this form give us IQR = sd(2z) which may be a simpler formula for IQR

OpenStudy (marissalovescats):

Yay! Thanks so much, now I won't be really clueless on my test tomorrow on a question like this :)

OpenStudy (amistre64):

good luck :)

OpenStudy (marissalovescats):

Thanks!

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