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OpenStudy (anonymous):

Limit question help

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Apparantly The answer is 1 which makes sense http://openstudy.com/users/dido525#/updates/542390b4e4b0b55e70f229b5 but I have to show the limit exists which is stupid. I don't know how I would do that.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

@hartnn , @jim_thompson5910

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Clearly if the value of a limit is found the limit must exist, should it not?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Wait wrong question.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

@dumbcow

OpenStudy (anonymous):

This is the correct question.

OpenStudy (dumbcow):

oh shoot, haha i was wondering how the heck 1 was answer to first one

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Haha xD .

geerky42 (geerky42):

Just let f(x) = x+1

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Why?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

@geerky42

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Question got cut off. It should say "except perhaps at x=0" .

geerky42 (geerky42):

I'm confused about first sentence part, so i could be wrong... But with f(x) = x+1, one can show that \(\displaystyle \lim_{x\rightarrow0}\left(f(x)+\dfrac{1}{f(x)}\right) \\= \displaystyle\lim_{x\rightarrow0}\left((x+1)+\dfrac{1}{x+1}\right)\\=0+1+\dfrac{1}{0+1}\\=1+1=2\) f(x) = x+1 satisfies it. Then you can show that \(\lim_{x\rightarrow0}x+1=\boxed{1}\)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

But why x+1? Why not like... x+2?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

How could you prove that f(x)=x+1 though? Just because it is one such function that satisfies the properties doesn't mean f must be that function.

geerky42 (geerky42):

well, I am wrong, lesson learned.

OpenStudy (dumbcow):

im not sure on this one either, as long as f(x) is continuous, then the limit should exist

OpenStudy (anonymous):

It doesn't give us that f is continuous either >.<

OpenStudy (dumbcow):

@geerky42 , you are not wrong but f(x) could be anything as long as f(0) = 1

geerky42 (geerky42):

Basically just need to show that \(\lim_{x\rightarrow1}f(x)=1\) is true for ALL functions that satisfy \(\lim_{x\rightarrow0}\left(f(x)+\dfrac{1}{f(x)}\right)=2\) That pellet is hard.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

No kidding :P .

OpenStudy (anonymous):

The only thing I've been able to show so far is that: $$\lim_{x\rightarrow 0}\left(f(x)^k+\frac{1}{f(x)^k}\right)=2$$for any natural number k. Note sure of that helps or not.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Not*

OpenStudy (anonymous):

A few people said squaring both sides and taking a root? Not sure how that would help...

OpenStudy (dumbcow):

is this for pre-calc ?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

It's Calc I.

geerky42 (geerky42):

I'm outta here. Not capable enough to help lol...

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Thanks for trying :) .

OpenStudy (dumbcow):

have you been using the epsilon/delta definition for limits in class?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Yes but it's actually not part of the curriculum. Like we wont ever use it in the course. Mind you I'm past Calc I. This is for a friend.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

I've done Calc I, II and III and Differential equations. Taking complex analysis atm.

OpenStudy (dumbcow):

oh ok , i hated that stuff but i thought maybe thats what they wanted you to show here anyway just prove that value of limit is 1 and it must exist otherwise the other limit which equals 2 would not exist

OpenStudy (anonymous):

But that's exactly what I can't show :P . How would I do that? xD .

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Cuz apparantly what he did previously isn't right.

OpenStudy (dumbcow):

hold on i didn't look at that yet

OpenStudy (dumbcow):

seems correct to me

OpenStudy (anonymous):

But apparently my friend's professor said that's not valid because we haven't shown the limit exists.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Its not. He didn't show that the limit exists. So his steps after are invalid. If the limit existed, then he would be able to solve the equation y+ 1/y=2

OpenStudy (anonymous):

But how could we even show that? :/ .

OpenStudy (anonymous):

The only idea I can think of involves writing f(x) cleverly as a sum or product of things that have limits we know.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

People said square both sides. I'm not sure how that helps...

OpenStudy (dumbcow):

\[\lim_{x \rightarrow 0}(f(x) + \frac{1}{f(x)}) = \lim_{x \rightarrow 0}f(x)+\frac{1}{\lim_{x \rightarrow 0}f(x)} = 2\] If lim f(x) does not exist, then statement above is not true

OpenStudy (anonymous):

You would only be able to split the lim like that if the limit existed. There are plenty of functions and sequences that dont have limits, but if you add them you get a limit. For example: $$x_n=n,y_n=1-n.$$ Individually, they have no limit as n goes to infinity, but $$x_n+y_n=1,$$ so the limit of x_n+y_n is 1 as n goes to infinity.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

We are trying to show if f(x)+1/f(x) does indeed have a limit, that something like what I gave an example of is not possible.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

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