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OpenStudy (anonymous):

The diagram shows the curves y = e^2x−3 and y = 2 ln x. When x = a the tangents to the curves are parallel. The diagram basically shows two curve lines not touching each other. Show that a satisfies the equation a= 1/2 (3-ln a) Verify by calculation that this equation has a root between 1 and 2 can someone help me please!!! Thanks in advance.

OpenStudy (nincompoop):

WHERE IS THE DIAGRAM?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

there you go please help me I'm dying trying to solve this question :3

OpenStudy (mathmale):

Navina: Your diagram doesn't match your typewritten problem statement. On which question shall we focus right now?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

sorry I send the wrong question and diagram. Here you go.

OpenStudy (mathmale):

OK. Sure this is the problem you want to discuss? If so: How do you find the SLOPE of the tangent line to such a curve at any x-value, 'a'?

OpenStudy (mathmale):

What is the slope of the tangent line to the curve \[y=e ^{2x-3}\] at x=a?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

using the formula Y=mX + c ? I make both equations into one equation but I got stuck some where at there

OpenStudy (mathmale):

Let's go back to basics. Why do we bother to learn the concept of "derivative" in calculus? What's the significance of the "derivative?"

OpenStudy (anonymous):

finding the slope of a tangent line?

OpenStudy (mathmale):

Yes. Among other things, the derivative of a function, evaluated at the x value 'a,' represents the slope of the tangent line to the graph of that function at x=a.

OpenStudy (mathmale):

So again I ask you: What is the derivative of \[y=e ^{2x-3} \]

OpenStudy (mathmale):

And what is the derivative of y=2ln x?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

\[2e ^{2x-3}\]

OpenStudy (mathmale):

That's the derivative of the first function. Very good.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

and \[\frac{ 2 }{ x }\]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

sorry \[\ln \frac{ 2 }{ x }\]

OpenStudy (mathmale):

Why the 'ln'?

OpenStudy (mathmale):

What's the derivative of y=ln x?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

owh sorry again it's \[\frac{ 2 }{ x}\]

OpenStudy (mathmale):

Now the problem statement says that the two separate tangent lines are parallel. What does that tell you about the quantities \[\frac{ d }{ dx }e ^{2x-3}~and~\frac{ d }{ dx }2*\ln x?\]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

both have the same gradient

OpenStudy (mathmale):

No. These two quantities (these two derivatives) are EQUAL.

OpenStudy (mathmale):

Write an equation involving the two derivatives that you've already found.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

I did that and ln both equations both I got stuck there

OpenStudy (mathmale):

Please write out the equation.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

\[2e ^{2x-3} = \frac{ 2 }{ x }\]

OpenStudy (mathmale):

Good. Now divide both sides by 2 to simplify the equation.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

\[e^{2x-3}= \frac{ 1 }{ x}\]

OpenStudy (mathmale):

Good. The first two methods that come to mind in regard to solving this equation are: 1) Graphing the function on the left side of this equation AND the function on the right side of this equation on the same set of coordinate axes, for x>0, and estimating (by eye) the approx. solution (that is, the x-coordinate of the intersection of the two curves)., and 2) Using Newton's Method to determine the solution to the desired number of decimal places. Your choice?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Can we ln both side? is it possible?

OpenStudy (mathmale):

As I said, the two methods I've listed were the first that came to mind. Of course you can take the natural log (or any other log) of both sides of this equation. Perhaps that will simplify the solution. Again: Your choice.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Okay then I will go with the Log method

OpenStudy (mathmale):

Good. Take the natural log of both sides of your equation:

OpenStudy (anonymous):

\[\ln 2e ^{2x-3}= \ln \frac{ 2 }{ x }\]

OpenStudy (mathmale):

that's OK, but remember that you and I have already eliminated the '2' factor from both sides of this equation. Go ahead and evaluate the natural log of each side of the equation, separately.

OpenStudy (mathmale):

sorry for the delay. OpenStudy was temporarily hung up ("Lost the connection")

OpenStudy (anonymous):

\[(2x-3)\ln2e = \ln 2-\ln x\]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

It's okay :)

OpenStudy (mathmale):

Or...\[(2x-3)\ln e = \ln 1 - \ln x\]

OpenStudy (mathmale):

Simplify this, remembering that your end goal is to solve for x.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

how did you get (2x-3)ln e =ln1 +lnx ?

OpenStudy (mathmale):

By taking the natural log of both sides of\[e^{2x-3}= \frac{ 1 }{ x}\]....remember, we can eliminate that factor 2 from both sides simply by dividing both sides by 2.

OpenStudy (mathmale):

Note: It's (2x-3)*ln e = ln 1 - ln x. Simplify this.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

ln e = 1 and ln 1= 0 so, (2x-3) = -ln x

OpenStudy (mathmale):

Really good. Now please estimate x; in other words, attempt an approximate solution. You could either graph 2x-3 and -ln x on the same set of axes and eyeball the x-coordinate of the point of intersection of these two curves, or you could use Newton's Method to determine the solution more accurately.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

I will go with Newton's method

OpenStudy (mathmale):

Fine. Create the function f(x)=2x-3-(-lnx), or f(x)=2x-3+ln x, and proceed from there. What is f '(x)?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

f ' (x) =2+1/x

OpenStudy (mathmale):

Good. Use f(x) and f '(x) in the formula for Newton's Method.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

to be honest I didn't learn Newton's Method is there other way to do? sorry for the trouble

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Thank you I found the answer already. Thanks for your help wish you were my maths teacher. Have a great day :)

OpenStudy (mathmale):

@navina, I'd be delighted to work with you further. If you want my attention, just tag me when you post future questions.

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