What is the greatest power of 18 in 50C25
Mere ko dur dur tak koi idea nahin hain ki ye kiya hain.. please help :)
@ParthKohli
@satellite73
help me..... please !
\[^{50} C_{25} = \frac{50 !}{25! \times 25!}\]
By 50C25, this is what you mean??
I know this but I don't know WHAT THE POWER OF 18 IN 50C25 MEAN ?
@Luigi0210
@morgcarr12
WHY ARE SO MANY PEOPLE TAGGING ME IM SO CONFUSED, lol ill try to figure it out tho
\(\large 18 = 2\times 3^2\) so the power of 3 is the limiting factor here
also notice that 50C25 is an integer because it represents number of ways of choosing 25 objects from 50 objects which is countable
Next, do you know how to get the highest exponent of 3 in the prime factorization of 50! ?
NO, :(
50! = 1.2.3.4.5.6.7.8...49.50
how many numbers less than 50 are multiples of 3 ?
15
OKAY ! WHAT TO DO FOR THE REST. :)
try again
number of multiples of 3 less than or equal to 50 = \(\large \left\lfloor\dfrac{50}{3}\right\rfloor = 16\)
3,6,9,12,15,18,21,24,27,30,33,36,39,42,45= 15 nos only.
oha ya 48 =1 silly me :(
what about 48 ?
:)
so can we say the exponent of 3 in prime factorization of 50! is 16 ?
nope, because multiples of 3^2's contribute two 3's, but we have counted them only once. so lets count how many multiples of 3^2's are there
how many multiples of 3^2's are there ?
so, the exponent of a number let x in y! is all the multiple of x less than y right? I don't know this, so inquired ?
consider a smaller example : 4! = 24 = 2^3*3^1
here the exponent of 2 is 3 and the exponent of 3 is 1
in 18 exponent of 3 is 2, than why did we find that for 50! Please explain me this.
we're trying to find out the exponent of 3 in 50!
because we want to see how many 3^2's are there in 50C25
okay let me conclude till here, we first expressed 18 in exponential of primes, we found it to be 3^2*2 now since we need to find the power of 18 in 50C25 so, we are finding the power of 3 in 50 and power of 3 in 25 correct.
our idea is this : 1) find the exponent of of 3 in 50! 2) find the exponent of of 3 in 25! play with above to figure out the exponent of 3^2 in 50C25
you're right!
lets finish finding the exponent of 3 in 50! first
okay so, for 50! we will find the multiples of 3^2 less than 50 or the multiples of 3 less than 50. Cause in one our last post you said this, I could not figure out what you said, "nope, because multiples of 3^2's contribute two 3's, but we have counted them only once. so lets count how many multiples of 3^2's are there"
Number of 3s in 50! is: \[\frac{50}{3} + \frac{50}{3^2} + \frac{50}{3^3 } = 16 + 5 + 1\]
while counting multiples of 3, we did not account for numbers that have two 3's in them right ? for example, the numbers 9 and 18 are counted only once however they each contribute two 3's
okay so according to #waterineyes we have 22 3 in 50. than ?
similarly count number of 3's in 25!
25/3+25/3^2+25/3^3 this way ?
exactly !
take the integer value
measn if the value is 24.07 than i should take 24 ?
#means
yes
then ?
how many 3's are there in 25! ?
12.03 so, it will be 12. for 50 it is 24 not 22
nope
you need to take integer value for each fraction
ya for 50! according to the formula I found the value to be 24.07 than ?
\[\frac{25}{3} + \frac{25}{3^2} = 8 + 2 = 10\]
exponent of 3 in 50! : \[\large \left\lfloor\dfrac{50}{3}\right\rfloor +\left\lfloor\dfrac{50}{3^2}\right\rfloor +\left\lfloor\dfrac{50}{3^3}\right\rfloor = 16+5+1 = 22\]
oho for each fraction i didnt notice that again.. Dhet teriki.. Silly me :(
okay so the value is 22+10=32
It will be simple for you to understand if you take it in another way..
Firstly divide 50 by 3, and tell me what did you get??
exponent of 3 in 25! : \[\large \left\lfloor\dfrac{25}{3}\right\rfloor +\left\lfloor\dfrac{25}{3^2}\right\rfloor +\left\lfloor\dfrac{25}{3^3}\right\rfloor = 8+2+0 = 10\]
okay i got it so, now for 50 it is 22 and for 25 it is 10 then ?
Do not take the remainder, leave the remainder.. take only the quotient..
Okay got till here..
yes next lets see how can we use the information that we have to figure out the exponent of 3 in 50C25
whats 50C25 again ?
50!/25!*25!
When you divide 50 by 3, you will get 16 as quotient.. Now, divide this 16 again by 3, you will get 5.. Now divide 5 by 3, you will get 1.. Now you cannot divide now 1 by 3, so you get now : 16 + 5 + 1 = 22
okay that seems good @waterineyes
can we write that like this : \[\large ^{50} C_{25} = \frac{50 !}{25!* 25!} = \dfrac{3^{22} a}{3^{10}b*3^{10}b}\] ?
so we have 3^2*a/b^2 understood till here. than ? :)
then we're done ! there is only one 9 in 50C25 what does that tell us ?
Similarly you can do it for 25.. 25/3 = 8 8/3 = 2 As 2 < 3, so, now add : 8 + 2 = 10
it tells us that the answer is not matching with the solution where it is given to be 1
:/
:(
think a bit, there is a one 9 as factor in 50C25 : 50C25 = 9*something
ya 9*a/b^2
that precicely means the highest exponent of 18 is 1, right ?
how come the last statement is depicted.
because there will always be more number of 2's than 3's
since only one 9 is available, you can pull out only one 18 out of 50C25
if you want, you can find out the exponent of 2 as well..
can you provide me an algorithm to deal with such questions, seriously I have learnt it first time :) please. I mean how come the 18 at the last. :(
do you agree that the highest exponent of 3 in 50C25 is 2 ?
if so, next think about how many 3's are required for 18
since 50c25=9a/b^2 so the highest exponent shall be 2 only right ?
only thing I am stuck with is that, we were asked to find the power of 18 in 50C25 we fist prime factorised 18 and than we found the power of 3 in 50 and 25 and which we found to be 9a/b^2 than after this we can conclude that 1. highest power of 3 is 2 2. highest power of 18 is 2-------------- How ????????
sorry typo of 18 is 1 how ?
how many 3's are needed to cookup one 18 ?
and how many 3's are available in 50C25 ?
2 3's are needed.
3^2*2
yes
and we have 3^2*a/b^2 which means we have 2 3's . So we can get only 1 18, this is what you mean.
Exactly !
to aisa bolo na.. okay, so ever again if I am asked to find the power of some x in yCr than I shall do this 1. prime factorise x let it be 3*2 2. find the exponent of either 2 or 3 in 50 and than in 25 3. express the yCr term 4. find the number of 3 or 2 I have and match with number of 2 and 3 I require to make x yuhoo thats the answer number of x I can make. Correct ?
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