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OpenStudy (anonymous):

I want to pose a simple question.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

There are infinite numbers and infinite even numbers , so does it mean that the set of all numbers has the same elements as the set of even numbers?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

what is you question

OpenStudy (anonymous):

ITS ON my profile

OpenStudy (anonymous):

It is not a part of my homework or anything , the question is already asked above. I wantted your views about the statement

OpenStudy (anonymous):

i think so

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Yes @No.name

OpenStudy (anonymous):

but in 1-10 there are 10 numbers and 5 even numbers

myininaya (myininaya):

the set of even integers and the set of all numbers (I guess you mean complex) have a different cardinality. The even integers are countable where as the complex numbers aren't countable.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

If somebody does not agree with my question let me know , i will present a simple proof

OpenStudy (anonymous):

i mean not imaginary numbers

myininaya (myininaya):

Still the real numbers are uncountable.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

so the even numbers , but they seem to be unequal

OpenStudy (anonymous):

whats the answer

OpenStudy (anonymous):

even though both are uncountable , i hope you got what i mean

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Well see this everybody :- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPA3bwVVzGI&list=PLOGi5-fAu8bEIw_xkj1FgKr7QY_Sahswy&index=4

myininaya (myininaya):

What? I said the even integers are countable. The real numbers aren't.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

even numbers are not countable they are infintely present in real numbers

OpenStudy (anonymous):

where the set of real numbers is itself infinite

myininaya (myininaya):

If we can find a bijection between the even integers and the integers, then that means the even integers are countable. And they are because f: integer->even integers defined by f(x)=2x.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Okay , that video just proves my statement incorrect and it says even numbers = all real numbers this is somewhat bizzare but see the video in free time

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

the video should should begin with "there are as many even numbers as all the integers"

myininaya (myininaya):

The set of real numbers is not countable. A subset of the real numbers is the set (0,1) and we can not list all the numbers between 0 and 1 so there is not a bijection between the set of integers ant set (0,1) so therefore (0,1) is uncountable. And the real numbers are uncountable. And the complex numbers are uncountable.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Yeah actually infact all subset of real numbers has the same elements as real numbers

myininaya (myininaya):

Not not all subsets...

OpenStudy (anonymous):

real number set*

myininaya (myininaya):

the set of integers is a subset of the real numbers

OpenStudy (anonymous):

yes all even fractions

myininaya (myininaya):

what is an even fraction?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

it is tough to believe though

OpenStudy (anonymous):

no not even or odd all fractions

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

lol @No.name you seem too excited about the video and numbers that you're inventing new terminology ;p

OpenStudy (anonymous):

sry am i

OpenStudy (anonymous):

my actual question is Is one infinity greater than other infinity?

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

indeed it is tough to believe but it will make sense if we thing a bit using the known infinite geometric series. why is below true : \(\large \sum \limits_{n=1}^{\infty} \dfrac{1}{2^n} = \sum \limits_{n=1}^{\infty - M} \dfrac{1}{2^n} \)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

M is ?

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

M could be ANY number, large/small

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

``` my actual question is Is one infinity greater than other infinity? ``` using bijection stuff, it becomes easy to see why all countable infinite sets like : even numbers / whole numbers / integers have the same size

OpenStudy (anonymous):

i have to learn bjection , or is it a 1 sec concept

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

i also don't have much exposure into fascinating infinities concept... im reading this at the moment http://math.stackexchange.com/questions/341605/as-many-even-numbers-as-natural-numbers

OpenStudy (anonymous):

wow , i will read as much as i can get from that but see the video , it is good

OpenStudy (anonymous):

ACtually george cantor proved it using set theories

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

watching it

OpenStudy (anonymous):

out from my imagination power , too baffled right now

OpenStudy (anonymous):

but still i am convinced

OpenStudy (anonymous):

how baffling the decimal is a subset of whole numbers , still contains more elements than whole numbers.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Infinity i believe is continously expanding i believe

OpenStudy (anonymous):

and the lesser infinty approaches a more greater infinity than it, that's what i think

OpenStudy (anonymous):

so as georg cantor think to put a infinity between two infinities , it is impossible since you can't stop the infinity that is continuously creating subsets within it this awesome stufffff!

OpenStudy (anonymous):

This video is even more amazing http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uj3_KqkI9Zo Not watching more videos my mind is already blown by this concept

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