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OpenStudy (anonymous):

How to show x.y.(ln x) = (ln y) ? x times y times (ln x) equals to (ln y)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

@ganeshie8 @kropot72

OpenStudy (freckles):

so what are we showing?

OpenStudy (freckles):

yxln(x)=ln(y)?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

i mean, i dun understand how x.y.(ln x) equals to (ln y)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

help please T.T

OpenStudy (freckles):

I don't see how it is true: Let x=2,y=1 left hand side: 1*2*ln(2)=2ln(2) right hand side: ln(1)=0 2ln(2) doesn't equal 0

OpenStudy (freckles):

so maybe I don't understand the question

OpenStudy (freckles):

like since xyln(x)=ln(y) is not true for all x,y in the positive real numbers

OpenStudy (anonymous):

1/(1- xy(lnx)) = 1/(1 - (lny))

OpenStudy (anonymous):

1/[1- (xy(lnx))] = 1/[1 - (lny)]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

I would figure you just are finding specific solutions, not actually proving they're equal. So one solution would be x = 1, y = 1 (1)(1)ln(1) = ln(1) 0 = 0 Unless you're looking for solutions like that, the two are definitely not equal for all x and y.

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

i feel you're not sharing us the complete question @HatcrewS

OpenStudy (anonymous):

y = x^(xy). Find dy/dx in terms of x and y. @ganeshie8

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Now that makes way more sense.

OpenStudy (freckles):

oh so you mean to differentiate xyln(x)=ln(y) not show they are equal

OpenStudy (anonymous):

So you took ln of both sides to get what you had before, but you still needed to differentiate and actually answer the question.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

y = x^(xy) ln y = xy ln x Differentiate w.r.t x (1/y) (dy/dx) = (1/x) xy + ln x [ x (dy/dx) + y] dy/dx (1/y) = y + ln x x (dy/dx) + y lnx

OpenStudy (anonymous):

@freckles do you know how to solve ?

OpenStudy (freckles):

put your terms that have y' on one side and the terms that don't y' on the opposite side

OpenStudy (anonymous):

i already did that

OpenStudy (freckles):

\[\frac{dy}{dx} \frac{1}{y}=y+x \ln(x) \frac{dy}{dx}+y \ln(x) \\ \frac{dy}{dx} \frac{1}{y}-x \ln(x) \frac{dy}{dx}=y+yln(x)\]

OpenStudy (freckles):

now factor the dy/dx out on the left hand side

OpenStudy (anonymous):

i got this

OpenStudy (anonymous):

\[\frac{ dy }{ dx } = \frac{ y^{2}(1+lnx) }{ 1-xylnx }\]

OpenStudy (freckles):

\[\frac{dy}{dx}(\frac{1}{y}-x \ln(x))=y+yln(x) \\ \frac{dy}{dx}(\frac{1-xyln(x)}{y})=y+yln(x)\] so multiply by the reciprocal of what is being multiplied by y' looks good you already did it good job.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

the answer sheet show it becomes \[\frac{ y ^{2}(1+lnx) }{ 1-lny }\]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

which i dont know how

OpenStudy (freckles):

well remember you said xyln(x) was equal to ln(y)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

thus i was wondering how xy(lnx) becomes (ln y). it is not given. i simply based off from this.

OpenStudy (freckles):

it was given by you

OpenStudy (freckles):

by you and the problem by what you read from the problem

OpenStudy (anonymous):

okay thanks

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