Suppose f '' is continuous on (-infinity, infinity). If f '(-1) = 0 and f ''(-1) = -1,what can you say about f ? a)At x = -1, f has a local maximum. b)At x = -1, f has a local minimum. c) At x = -1, f has neither a maximum nor a minimum. d)More information is needed to determine if f has a maximum or minimum at x = -1. If f '(4) = 0 and f ''(4) = 0,what can you say about f ? a)At x = 4, f has a local maximum. b)At x = 4, f has a local minimum. c)At x = 4, f has neither a maximum nor a minimum. d)More information is needed to determine if f has a maximum or minimum at x = 4.
If f '(-1) = 0 and f ''(-1) = -1 since f'' is negative, f' is decreasing, it is also zero at x=-1, so for x<-1 it must be positive and for x?-1 f' is negative f'(-1)=0 so f has an extreme point there and hence for x<-1 f must be increasing and for x?-1 f must be negative so that is a maximum b)At x = -1, f has a local minimum.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_derivative_test so d)More information is needed to determine if f has a maximum or minimum at x = 4.
thank you for your help. on WebAssign, the first answer was marked wrong. Can we go through your explanation again?
Oh, sorry that was a typo, I copied the wrong anser it is d)More information is needed to determine if f has a maximum or minimum at x = 4. The funtion is increasing, then reaches a maximum, then decreases sorry about that
oh that was the second question and D was right. Thank you again for that one! I'm talking about the f'(-1)=0 and f''(-1)=-1 x=-1 is a minimum
ah, didn properly copy the answer, a)At x = 4, f has a local maximum.
the previous answer was still on the clipboard
The funtion is increasing, then reaches a maximum, then decreases sorry about that so A
ah ok. well thanks again for the help. I was stumped on these two questions. I was able to do the rest but i've spent a while not understanding this.
Do you get it now?
yeah i have the gist of it
the derivative gives whether a function is increasing (when positive) or decraesing (when negative) at an extremum of f it changes sign but if f' is also zero, it may or may not change sign and you need higher derivatives to see what is going on
since f'' is negative then it's concave down yes? so the frown means x=-1 is a local max
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if f'' is negative it means that f' is decreasing and zero so before the extremum first postitive then negative so f is at a maximum (first increasing then decreasing)
ah ok. I went over it again and I can officially say I understand it now. Thank you.
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