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OpenStudy (anonymous):

Which sets of numbers are closed under addition? Choose ALL answers that are correct. A. whole numbers B. natural numbers C. negative integers D. integers

OpenStudy (perl):

do you know what closed means?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

No..

OpenStudy (anonymous):

@micahm

OpenStudy (micahm):

hello

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Please help..

OpenStudy (micahm):

he natural numbers are well-ordered: which means every set of natural numbers has a least element. so suppose S is a set of natural numbers closed under addition. let k be the smallest element of S. then S contains: k,k+k, k+k+k,....etc in other words S must contain all multiples of k. could S contain other elements besides multiples of k? suppose it did. suppose it contained m. then we get all natural numbers of the form ak + bm. for example, if k = 2, m = 3, S might be: S = {2,3,4,5,6,7,8,.......} = N - {0,1}. note we can write this set as: {2 + k(gcd(2,3)): k in N} this can be generalized to more than a pair of numbers....do you see how? as you can see, we can come of with LOTS of sets this way.

OpenStudy (micahm):

ctually, there is an infinity of sets of natural numbers which are closed under addition.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

So its natural numbers?

OpenStudy (micahm):

yes

OpenStudy (anonymous):

But I need another answer.

OpenStudy (micahm):

Think about the set of all multiples of any given natural number n. E.g., the even natural numbers is the set of all multiples of 2. What about, say, 17. Is the sum of two multiples of 17 a multiple of 17? There are other, more complicated sets that are closed under addition. E.g., suppose a set contains 5 and 7. What's the smallest subset of N that is closed under addition that contains 5 and 7? It's a bit more complicated to look at the set of natural numbers N. If you look at the integers, and are allowed to add and subtract, then the only sets closed under addition are multiples of a given number, and the set is related to the GCD of members

OpenStudy (perl):

all of these sets are closed under addition

OpenStudy (anonymous):

ALL of them?

OpenStudy (perl):

if you add two of them you get another of them. for example add two negative numbers, the sum is negative. so negative numbers are closed

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Okay...so whats the answer?

OpenStudy (perl):

add two whole numbers, the sum is another whole number

OpenStudy (perl):

add two integers, the sum is also an integer.

OpenStudy (perl):

the natural numbers are not closed under subtraction operation. do you see why?

OpenStudy (perl):

2 and 5 are natural numbers, but 2 - 5 = -3 , and -3 is not a natural number

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Okay..Yeah.

OpenStudy (perl):

under addition many sets are closed

OpenStudy (perl):

ok i have a question for you. is the set { -1, 0,1} closed under addition?

OpenStudy (perl):

@micahm sorry i didnt understand your solution, what do you mean by well ordered set, why do we need to use this to show closure . i assume youre proving this rigorusly

OpenStudy (anonymous):

But I'm leaving for a trip..My plane is almost here I need the answer.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Lol okay

OpenStudy (perl):

:/

OpenStudy (anonymous):

One more please very quickly..

OpenStudy (jordan123321):

so what are the answers???????

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Way to copy my comment.

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