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OpenStudy (anonymous):

Help test tomorrow! Derivative of y=csc^-1(secx), 0<=x<(pi/2)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

OpenStudy (anonymous):

i posted this a while ago, but no one can help me

OpenStudy (anonymous):

i tried to use the rules and stuff, but i got lost somewhere and i don't know where to go from there

OpenStudy (perl):

did you try chain rule

OpenStudy (anonymous):

does anyone know how to do this?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

yeah, i used the chain rule, but i got lost somewhere

OpenStudy (anonymous):

i think i simplified wrong

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

try to work it implicitly

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

take \(\rm \csc^{-1}\) both sides

OpenStudy (anonymous):

I got \[y \prime = -\frac{ 1 }{ secx \sqrt{\sec^2x-1} }*secx*tanx*secx*tanx\]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

ok ill try implicitly

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

\[\rm y=\csc^{-1}(secx) \implies \csc y = \sec x\] differentiate both sides

OpenStudy (anonymous):

why is it cscy and not csc^-1y if you are taking csc^-1 of both sides?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

oh never mind

OpenStudy (anonymous):

ok, so i got \[-\csc(y) \cot(y) \frac{ dy }{ dx } = secxtanx\]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

\[\csc ^{-1}(\sec (x))\]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

is this the eq.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

yeah

OpenStudy (anonymous):

now i got \[\frac{ dy }{ dx } = -\frac{ \sec(x)\tan(x) }{ \csc(y)\cot(y) }\]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

but that doesn't look right

OpenStudy (anonymous):

i know the answer is -1, but i don't understand how to go from there to -1

OpenStudy (anonymous):

did i also say that it is from \[0 \le x<\frac{ \pi }{ 2 } \]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

where does that come in?

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

\[\rm y=\csc^{-1}(secx) \implies \csc y = \sec x\] \[\rm \implies \sin y = \cos x\] yes ?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

ok, yeah, im following

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

isn't differentiating sin and cos simpler than csc and sec ?

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

\[\rm y=\csc^{-1}(secx) \implies \csc y = \sec x\] \[\rm \implies \sin y = \cos x\] differentating both sides implicitly and solving dy/dx gives you \[\rm \dfrac{dy}{dx} = -\dfrac{\sin x}{\cos y}\]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

ok, i got that

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

next, lets draw a triangle since we know that the angle is in first quadrant

OpenStudy (anonymous):

but how do you work with that y

OpenStudy (anonymous):

ok

OpenStudy (anonymous):

|dw:1415937157547:dw|

OpenStudy (anonymous):

like that?

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

Perfect!

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

find the value of \(\rm \cos y\) and plug it in

OpenStudy (anonymous):

|dw:1415937318501:dw|

OpenStudy (anonymous):

is that the value of the third side?

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

technically yes, but it simplifies

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

\[\rm 1-\cos^2x = \sin^2x\]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

ok

OpenStudy (anonymous):

\[cosy = \frac{ -sinx }{ \frac{ dy }{ dx } }\] right?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

and then dy/dx is just -sinx/cosy

OpenStudy (anonymous):

\[cosy = \frac{ -sinx }{ \frac{ -sinx }{ cosy } }\]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

ok, something went wrong

OpenStudy (anonymous):

ok, you know what, thanks for the help, but i have to go to bed. at least i know to study implicit differentiation before my test. thanks for your time

OpenStudy (anonymous):

the answer for your q is (-1)..... take the D of arccsc the D of sec

OpenStudy (anonymous):

the -tan(x)/sqr(sec^2-1)=-tan(x)/tan(x)

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

|dw:1415938404743:dw|

OpenStudy (anonymous):

\[\frac{ -1 }{ \left| \sec(x) \right|\sqrt{\sec ^{2}}(x)-1 }*\sec (x)\tan (x)\]

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