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OpenStudy (anonymous):
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Derivative of y=csc^-1(secx), 0<=x<(pi/2)
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
11 years ago
OpenStudy (anonymous):
i posted this a while ago, but no one can help me
11 years ago
OpenStudy (anonymous):
i tried to use the rules and stuff, but i got lost somewhere and i don't know where to go from there
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OpenStudy (perl):
did you try chain rule
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
does anyone know how to do this?
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
yeah, i used the chain rule, but i got lost somewhere
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
i think i simplified wrong
11 years ago
ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):
try to work it implicitly
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ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):
take \(\rm \csc^{-1}\) both sides
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
I got
\[y \prime = -\frac{ 1 }{ secx \sqrt{\sec^2x-1} }*secx*tanx*secx*tanx\]
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
ok ill try implicitly
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ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):
\[\rm y=\csc^{-1}(secx) \implies \csc y = \sec x\]
differentiate both sides
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
why is it cscy and not csc^-1y if you are taking csc^-1 of both sides?
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
oh never mind
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
ok, so i got
\[-\csc(y) \cot(y) \frac{ dy }{ dx } = secxtanx\]
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
\[\csc ^{-1}(\sec (x))\]
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
is this the eq.
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
yeah
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
now i got
\[\frac{ dy }{ dx } = -\frac{ \sec(x)\tan(x) }{ \csc(y)\cot(y) }\]
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
but that doesn't look right
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
i know the answer is -1, but i don't understand how to go from there to -1
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
did i also say that it is from \[0 \le x<\frac{ \pi }{ 2 } \]
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
where does that come in?
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ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):
\[\rm y=\csc^{-1}(secx) \implies \csc y = \sec x\]
\[\rm \implies \sin y = \cos x\]
yes ?
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
ok, yeah, im following
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ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):
isn't differentiating sin and cos simpler than csc and sec ?
11 years ago
ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):
\[\rm y=\csc^{-1}(secx) \implies \csc y = \sec x\]
\[\rm \implies \sin y = \cos x\]
differentating both sides implicitly and solving dy/dx gives you
\[\rm \dfrac{dy}{dx} = -\dfrac{\sin x}{\cos y}\]
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
ok, i got that
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ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):
next, lets draw a triangle since we know that the angle is in first quadrant
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
but how do you work with that y
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
ok
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
like that?
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ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):
Perfect!
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ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):
find the value of \(\rm \cos y\) and plug it in
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
is that the value of the third side?
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ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):
technically yes, but it simplifies
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ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):
\[\rm 1-\cos^2x = \sin^2x\]
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
ok
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
\[cosy = \frac{ -sinx }{ \frac{ dy }{ dx } }\]
right?
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
and then dy/dx is just -sinx/cosy
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
\[cosy = \frac{ -sinx }{ \frac{ -sinx }{ cosy } }\]
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
ok, something went wrong
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
ok, you know what, thanks for the help, but i have to go to bed. at least i know to study implicit differentiation before my test. thanks for your time
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
the answer for your q is (-1)..... take the D of arccsc the D of sec
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
the -tan(x)/sqr(sec^2-1)=-tan(x)/tan(x)
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ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
\[\frac{ -1 }{ \left| \sec(x) \right|\sqrt{\sec ^{2}}(x)-1 }*\sec (x)\tan (x)\]
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