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OpenStudy (swissgirl):

@perl

OpenStudy (swissgirl):

1 card white both sides, 1 black both sides, 1 white one side black one side, u close ur eyes, pick one card at random, open your eyes, and see it's a white side. what's the chance that the other side is also white

OpenStudy (nincompoop):

are you serious?

OpenStudy (swissgirl):

shhhhh

OpenStudy (perl):

ok one sec

OpenStudy (perl):

can you give me a minute

OpenStudy (swissgirl):

Ya sure

OpenStudy (swissgirl):

@dan815

OpenStudy (jhannybean):

dan815 okay look its ww,bb,wb ww,bb,bw 2 cases 50% chance for case 1 2/3 chance u pick w, and 1/2 chance u get white for case 2 1/3 chance u pick w, and 100% chance u get white so 2/3*1/2 + 1/3*1 = 2/3 which is COMPLEETELLLYY WRONNG!! lol...this is what he sent me.

OpenStudy (dan815):

i thohgut i sent that to swiss lol

OpenStudy (nincompoop):

smh

OpenStudy (dan815):

but ya LOOK there are 2 cases in total w ,w ,b and b , w ,b there are a total of 3 ws for 2 of the 2s there is 1/2 change it is white on bac and 1 w there is 100% chance

OpenStudy (dan815):

therefore 2/3*1/2 +1/3*1 = 2/3

OpenStudy (dan815):

I HAVE SOLVED IT

OpenStudy (dan815):

this question 100% undestood it is mine

OpenStudy (dan815):

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA

OpenStudy (swissgirl):

Take ur meds pls -.-

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

it should be 1/2 i think

OpenStudy (swissgirl):

ughhh thats what i thought .... but maybe i was oversimplifying

OpenStudy (dan815):

okay i though so at first 2, but think about it ganeshie u arent picking white haof the time u are more like to pick a white when its black on the other side

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

P(ww | w) = P(ww and w)/P(w)

OpenStudy (dan815):

there are 2 cases one where white is facing him and black is facing him

OpenStudy (dan815):

when white is facing him he has a higher hance of picking white, which lowers it being white on the back

OpenStudy (dan815):

if u were to do a computer simulation

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

`ww,bb,wb` since you know that one side is w, the sample space shrinks to `ww, wb`

OpenStudy (dan815):

or just ww

OpenStudy (dan815):

since the b cud be facing other way to begin with

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

# of outcomes in favor = 1 total # of outcomes = 2 take the ratio for probability

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

it should be as simple as that right ?

OpenStudy (dan815):

theres more to it ummm

OpenStudy (dan815):

if u thnk about a computer program

OpenStudy (dan815):

when its w w b , it will pick w more often

OpenStudy (dan815):

when its b b w, i will pick white only 1/3 of the time

OpenStudy (nincompoop):

dan, please...

OpenStudy (dan815):

-.-

OpenStudy (nincompoop):

stick to modern physics :)

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

since you know one face is white already, you can remove "bb" and update ur sample space

OpenStudy (dan815):

but ya LOOK there are 2 cases in total w ,w ,b and b , w ,b there are a total of 3 ws for 2 of them ws there is 1/2 chance it is white on bac and 1 w there is 100% chance therefore 2/3*1/2 +1/3*1 = 2/3

OpenStudy (dan815):

but the way he arrive at white is different

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

you have 3 cards to start with, yes ?

OpenStudy (dan815):

like 2/3 of the time it is ww,wb but 1/3 of the tiem its just ww case he picks a w

OpenStudy (dan815):

u cannot say that wb still exists in the sample space

OpenStudy (dan815):

yeah

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

the knowledge of one face being "w" allows you to remove the possibility "bb" yes ?

OpenStudy (dan815):

yep

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

we can ignore all the past and look at our new sample space

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

it has two outcomes now : ww, wb

OpenStudy (dan815):

ehh

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

only one is in ur favor, isn't your particle filter works the same way ?

OpenStudy (dan815):

no theres moree to it i think

OpenStudy (nincompoop):

here we go with your "there's more to it" LAUGHING OUT LOUD there's nothing more!

OpenStudy (dan815):

why -.-

OpenStudy (swissgirl):

hahaha Dan sees the world in a 3D format

OpenStudy (dan815):

it doesnt make senseee theres gotta be more

OpenStudy (nincompoop):

then figure out what it is then come back to us with what you figured out

OpenStudy (dan815):

if i was holding a white card, id be thinking, okay if i am holding a white card, then there is something fishy here

OpenStudy (dan815):

there is a higher chance of me holding a white card when they are both facing white

OpenStudy (nincompoop):

you're onto something I must have

OpenStudy (dan815):

and there is a less chance of me holding a white card when only 1 is facing white

OpenStudy (nincompoop):

Canadian kush?

OpenStudy (swissgirl):

hmmmm

OpenStudy (dan815):

right, when u are holding white, 2/3 of the time its with its w w b so that means 1/2 for that case but 1/3 of the time it is w b b, in this case 100% chance its white

OpenStudy (dan815):

u see what i mean ganeshie?

OpenStudy (dan815):

why isnt it like this?

OpenStudy (dan815):

I CAN PROVE IT!

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

yes, but you're not using the information that one of the cards is white

OpenStudy (dan815):

i cann proove i!!

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

i think you're calculating P(ww) the question wants P(ww|w)

OpenStudy (dan815):

make 50 tuple sets on program

OpenStudy (dan815):

[(b,b),(w,w),(w,b)]<---- 50 of this [(b,b),(w,w),(b,w)]<---- 50 of this too Lets randomly pick index 1:3 and index 1 of each tupple

OpenStudy (dan815):

everytime its white , lets check index 2 of the same tuple

OpenStudy (dan815):

and see how many times we get white!!

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

I see you get ww more times

OpenStudy (dan815):

we can just eliminate bb since its useless

OpenStudy (swissgirl):

Ya dannnn.... You already picked a white

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

idk you have confused me already :o

OpenStudy (dan815):

so u are only left with ww wb ww, bw when u eliminate bb from cases

OpenStudy (dan815):

and u know the bw case is excluded when u get it

OpenStudy (dan815):

ww, wb,ww

OpenStudy (nincompoop):

I should give dan a medal for confusing people

OpenStudy (dan815):

so 2/3 of the time its ww

OpenStudy (dan815):

lol

OpenStudy (dan815):

ty for ur medal i take all medals

OpenStudy (dan815):

i need 500 more for future MATH PROFESSOR

OpenStudy (dan815):

LOL why are u sending me to prob video

OpenStudy (nincompoop):

because that is what you need

OpenStudy (dan815):

bahahha

OpenStudy (anonymous):

There are six possibilities, all equally likely. - ww card with white "A" up / white "B" down - ww card with white "B" up / white "A" down - bw card with the white up / black down - bw card with the black up / white down - bb card with black "A" up / black "B" down - bb card with black "B" up / black "A" down Note that we have white up, so we can eliminate the last three possibilities. But each of the other three possibilities are all still equally likely. And there are two possibilities where other side is also white, thus the probability is \(\boxed{2/3}\)

OpenStudy (swissgirl):

hmmm gotcha ;(

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Looks like @dan815 doesn't need to watch video at all :P @nincompoop

OpenStudy (anonymous):

What do you think of my solution? @ganeshie8

OpenStudy (dan815):

i love u micah <3

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

Nice :) I see what dan was saying earlier now @micahwood50

OpenStudy (nincompoop):

he still needs to watch the video; it doesn't hurt anyone to learn probability properly

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