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OpenStudy (anonymous):

Assume f ' is given by the graph in the figure. Suppose f is continuous and that f(0) = 0. (a) Find f(3)= . (b) Find f(7)= (c) Find 7 (integral)f '(x)dx= 0 (d) Sketch a graph of f over the interval 0 ≤ x ≤ 7.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

OpenStudy (noelgreco):

Other than the answer, what don't you get?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

i understand the question; its just that the graph is discontinuous at the points where I am supposed to find… f(3) and f(7) so I would not know how to determine the y value

OpenStudy (freckles):

well if want to think about what happens around x=3 on your graph f' we need integrate both sides of x=3 as a first step

OpenStudy (anonymous):

okay

OpenStudy (freckles):

so what do you get integrating both sides

OpenStudy (freckles):

don't forget to add your constant

OpenStudy (freckles):

after that we want to use that f is continuous so the left limit has to equal the right limit as x approaches 3

OpenStudy (freckles):

so if y'=4 then y=? and if y'=-2 then y=?

OpenStudy (freckles):

do you know?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

sorry for the lag! but no my mind isn't working

OpenStudy (freckles):

i know you can integrate a constant

OpenStudy (freckles):

\[\int\limits_{}^{} c dx=cx+K\]

OpenStudy (freckles):

since the derivative of (cx+K) is c

OpenStudy (freckles):

so if y'=4 then y=?

OpenStudy (freckles):

\[y=\int\limits_{}^{}y' dx\]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

4x

OpenStudy (freckles):

4x+constant

OpenStudy (freckles):

so let's just skip to ensuring we have continuity

OpenStudy (freckles):

a and b are constant values right function to x=3 is y=4x+a left function to x=3 is y=-2x+b right limit = left limit (as x approaches 3) 4(3)+a = -2(3)+b solve for either a or b

OpenStudy (anonymous):

okay lets see!

OpenStudy (freckles):

the part after this we are going to use that f(0)=0

OpenStudy (freckles):

and then we will able to find f(3)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

18+a=b

OpenStudy (freckles):

\[y=-2x+b \\ y=-2x+18+a\]

OpenStudy (freckles):

or f(x)=-2x+18+a to find a use f(0)=0

OpenStudy (anonymous):

where did the -2x come from??

OpenStudy (freckles):

we had to integrate both sides of x=3

OpenStudy (freckles):

you did once side i did the other side

OpenStudy (anonymous):

ohhh okay gotcha

OpenStudy (freckles):

then we set them equal to each other as x goes to 3

OpenStudy (freckles):

and solve for either a or b

OpenStudy (freckles):

then you found b=18+a then I replace b with 18+a

OpenStudy (freckles):

so then we had y=-2x+b so y=-2x+18+a

OpenStudy (freckles):

now we are also given f(0)=0 and we are going to use that to find our constant value a

OpenStudy (anonymous):

so from there do we plug in 0

OpenStudy (freckles):

yes since we know f(0)=0 f(0)=-2(0)+18+a=0 18+a=0

OpenStudy (anonymous):

so -18

OpenStudy (freckles):

a=-18

OpenStudy (freckles):

so we have almost found our function at x=3

OpenStudy (anonymous):

yay!!

OpenStudy (freckles):

f(x)=-2x+18+(-18)=-2x or you could use f(x)=4x+a=4x-18 either one of these should given you the same value at x=3

OpenStudy (anonymous):

I'm confused because its still -18

OpenStudy (freckles):

a is -18 yes but what is f(3)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

-6

OpenStudy (anonymous):

right?

OpenStudy (freckles):

we found a to be -18 and our function was f(x)=-2x+18+a or f(x)=4x+a yes f(3)-6

OpenStudy (freckles):

f(3)=-6*

OpenStudy (anonymous):

it was wrong :/

OpenStudy (freckles):

how

OpenStudy (anonymous):

idk :/

OpenStudy (freckles):

y=4x+a and y=-2x+b set them equal as x goes to 3 12+a=-6+b 18+a=b so we have y=-2x+(18+a) f(0)=0 so 0=0+18+a a=-18 so we have y=4x-18 f(3)=4(3)-18=12-18=-6

OpenStudy (freckles):

@wio did i do something wrong here?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

I'm not sure, but you did over complicate it a bit.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

\[ \int_0^xf'(t)~dt = f(x)-f(0) = f(x) \]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

So \[ \int_{0}^af'(x)~dx = f(a) \]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

For this problem though, we are just finding the area under the curve.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

For example: \[ f(2) = 2\times 2=4 \]

OpenStudy (freckles):

can we integrate f' to t=0 to t=3 f' isn't continuous on [0,3]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

\[ f(3)-f(2) = -2\times 1 = -2\implies f(3) = -2+f(2) = -2+4 =2 \]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

In general, when we have a single discontinuity \(c\) in the interval \((a,b)\), then we define:\[ \int_a^bg(x)~dx = \lim_{t\to c^+}\int_a^tg(x)~dx+\lim_{u\to c^-}\int_u^bg(x)~dx \]

OpenStudy (freckles):

I guess I just don't understand how the way I mentioned led to a wrong answer

OpenStudy (freckles):

i integrated both sides of x=3 the integrated function we suppose to be continuous on both left and right side so that means the right limit=left limit as x approaches 3 then used f(0)=0

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Okay, can you explain to me again what you did?

OpenStudy (freckles):

so we wanted to evaluate f(3) I was trying to find f(3) given f(3 to right)=4x+a f(3 to left)=-2x+b f is suppose to be continuous so I want to find when f(3 to right)=f(3 to left) 4(3)+a=-2(3)+b 18+a=b so we can right f(x)=-2x+18+a f(0)=0 so f(0)=18+a=0 which means a=-18 Then y=-2x or we can say y=4x-18 this does after all give us f is continuous at x=3 since f(3)=-2(3)=-6 and f(3)=4(3)-18=-6 and also we sill have y'=-2 to the left and y'=4 to the right so I'm not seeing how it is wrong what condition wasn't met

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Don't you want to use \(2x+c_1\) and \(-2x+c_2\)?

OpenStudy (freckles):

well the picture says y'=4 to the right and y'=-2 to the left of x=3

OpenStudy (anonymous):

First of all, we don't know that the anti derivative is continuous.

OpenStudy (freckles):

f is the antiderivative of f' and is stated f is continuous

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Ok, that is weird.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

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