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OpenStudy (anonymous):

College Algebra: reviewing for final exam! Name the center and radius of the circle: (equation in comment below)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

\[x ^{2}+y ^{2}-4x+6y-3=0\]

OpenStudy (solomonzelman):

Latex is the killer, my connection snapped.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Mine too, I had to refresh twice.

OpenStudy (solomonzelman):

\(\large\color{black}{ x^2+y^2-4x+6y-3=0 }\) lets rearrange it a bit, \(\large\color{black}{ x^2-4x+y^2+6y-3=0 }\) then add 3 to both sides, \(\large\color{black}{ x^2-4x+y^2+6y=3 }\) and we are looking at: \(\large\color{black}{ \color{blue}{x^2-4x}+\color{red}{y^2+6y}=3 }\)

OpenStudy (solomonzelman):

1) what number do you add to the BLUE, to make it a perfect square? 1) what number do you add to the RED, to make it a perfect square?

OpenStudy (solomonzelman):

the second question is number 2, my bad.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

4 would be 2 and 6 would be ....

OpenStudy (solomonzelman):

I apologize, I don;t understand.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

The perfect square for 4 is 2. But I'm not sure if 6 has a perfect square

OpenStudy (solomonzelman):

no no, we are adding a number that would make a trinomial a perfect square.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Ohhh. Wouldn't you add 4 to 4 to be 16 and add 6 to 6 to be 36?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

I mean multiply

OpenStudy (solomonzelman):

oh I love how this site disconnects me.

OpenStudy (solomonzelman):

andf again just now.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

It was happening to me a lot this morning. I get disconnected, but when I refresh, the page stays refreshing for about 5 minutes to more.

OpenStudy (solomonzelman):

\(\large\color{black}{ \color{blue}{x^2-2x+1}+\color{red}{y^2+8y+16}=4\color{blue}{+1} \color{red}{+16} }\) I mean this.

OpenStudy (solomonzelman):

Yes, okay, back to the prob. do you see what I am doing above?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Not really. I'm trying to understand how you got those numbers

OpenStudy (solomonzelman):

I mean. \(\large\color{black}{ \color{blue}{x^2-2x}+\color{red}{y^2+8y}=4 }\) \(\large\color{black}{ \color{blue}{x^2-2x+1}+\color{red}{y^2+8y+16}=4\color{blue}{+1} \color{red}{+16} }\)

OpenStudy (solomonzelman):

I am adding numbers. 1 to the blue, and 16 to the red.

OpenStudy (solomonzelman):

because "1" would make the blue polynomial a perfect square trinomial, and so the same will do 16 to the red.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Where did the 2 and 8 come from?

OpenStudy (solomonzelman):

you mean the 1 and 16?

OpenStudy (solomonzelman):

2 and 8, are just another example.

OpenStudy (solomonzelman):

do you understand how I did the 2 steps in my last reply in red and blue?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Nope, you lost me

OpenStudy (solomonzelman):

sorry.

OpenStudy (solomonzelman):

Do you know how to complete the square?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Wouldn't that involve \[(-\frac{ b }{ 2 })^{2}\] ?

OpenStudy (solomonzelman):

yes.

OpenStudy (solomonzelman):

this number you just posted is the number needed to complete the square for a trinomial.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Ohhhh, I got it!!

OpenStudy (solomonzelman):

So, when we do this.... \(\large\color{black}{ \color{blue}{x^2-2x}+\color{red}{y^2+8y}=4 }\) \(\large\color{black}{ \color{blue}{x^2-2x+1}+\color{red}{y^2+8y+16}=4\color{blue}{+1} \color{red}{+16} }\) you see what I am doing right?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Yes I do.

OpenStudy (solomonzelman):

but it is \(\large\color{black}{ (\frac{b}{2})^2 }\) not minus. where b is coefficient, in \(\large\color{black}{ x^2+bx+c }\)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Oh, my professor told me it had a negative

OpenStudy (solomonzelman):

it does not. unless the "b" in your trinomial is negative then you say namely, (-2/2)^2

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Of course would still be positive answer lolx

OpenStudy (solomonzelman):

Why does god do this to me?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

(._.)

OpenStudy (solomonzelman):

okay, back to your problem. \(\large\color{black}{ x^2+y^2-4x+6y-3=0 }\) rearrangement. \(\large\color{black}{ \color{blue}{x^2-4x}+\color{red}{y^2+6y}-3=0 }\) \(\large\color{black}{ \color{blue}{x^2-4x}+\color{red}{y^2+6y}=3 }\)

OpenStudy (solomonzelman):

what numbes, do you add to the blue and to the red, to make both trinomials perfect squares/

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Alright, I would add 4 to the blue and 9 to the red.

OpenStudy (solomonzelman):

Yup:)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Woohoo! :)

OpenStudy (solomonzelman):

\(\large\color{black}{ \color{blue}{x^2-4x\underline{+4}}+\color{red}{y^2+6y\underline{+9}}=3\color{blue}{\underline{+4}}\color{red}{\underline{+9}} }\)

OpenStudy (solomonzelman):

See, and I am not changing the value of both sides, right?

OpenStudy (solomonzelman):

like a=b then a+3=b+3 type of thing.

OpenStudy (solomonzelman):

Now, you need to write it in your normal form that we so looked for:)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

\[(x-4)^{2}+(y-6)^{2}=16\] I felt like this is what the normal form is from the last question I asked

OpenStudy (solomonzelman):

your Xs is right. check the y.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Oops \[(x-4)^{2}+(y+6)^{2}=16\]

OpenStudy (solomonzelman):

yes, +6 lol;)

OpenStudy (solomonzelman):

I'll be leaving in about 5 minutes... so have a good night and a good math.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Well, you have a good night as well :) Thank you so much for your assistance :)

OpenStudy (solomonzelman):

the main thing is that you get the steps of doing it. There are going to be times when completing the square gets very awkward. I even now flip on some problems. but YW, and have agood one!

OpenStudy (anonymous):

(o.o) Um, I haven't finished answering the question lolx @SolomonZelman

OpenStudy (solomonzelman):

I have to go to bad:)

OpenStudy (solomonzelman):

sorry.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Aww, it's okay. I'll see if someone can finish it for me :) Have a good night, sweet dreams!

OpenStudy (anonymous):

@dan815 Do you know how to finish this problem? As far as I got is \[(x-4)^{2}+(y+6)^{2}=16\]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

@dan815 I need to know the center and the radius

OpenStudy (solomonzelman):

you already know it \[(x-h)^2+(y-k)^2=r^2\]

OpenStudy (solomonzelman):

Compare your equation to this.

OpenStudy (solomonzelman):

(h,k) is the center

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Welcome back SolomonZelman! I did and I know my radius is 4, but I don't know the center. According to my packet, the center is not (4,-6)

OpenStudy (solomonzelman):

you have a Russian name.

OpenStudy (solomonzelman):

and yes, the center is (4,-6).

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Thank you (^_^) Sadly, I'm not Russian, I'm Puerto Rican :D

OpenStudy (solomonzelman):

Why is that sadly? that's nice.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

I have a packet my professor gave me and it says the center is (2,-3) and the radius is 4. I already knew the radius because 4*4 is 16

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Being part Russian would be cool :)

OpenStudy (solomonzelman):

No it wouldn't be, trust me. Well, in my case it is knowing 3 languages, including English.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

I only know 2 :D I'll ask my professor to see if he had a typo on this problem

OpenStudy (solomonzelman):

why this problem seems good. and you have a radius and a center.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Yeah, but the answer is SUPPOSE to be (2,-3) and r=4

OpenStudy (solomonzelman):

then there must be something wrong. the answer can't be that.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

That's what I'm thinking!

OpenStudy (solomonzelman):

Yes:) We didn't make any mistakes:)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

I'll make sure to ask my professor tomorrow. Thank you so much :)

OpenStudy (solomonzelman):

Anytime;)

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