what is the enthalpy change during the process in @Abhisar which 100 grams H2O at 50C is cooled to ice at -30C? c(s) 2.09 J/g-C c(I) 4.18 J/gC c(g) 1.84 J/gC heat of vaporization= 40.67 kJ/mol heat of fusion= 6.01 kJ/mol
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@4n1m0s1ty this question ugh
Ok, so we are looking at a phase transition of water. So here are a few things I want to ask you: 1.) What state are we starting in (gas/liquid/solid)? and what are we ending in (gas/liquid/solid)? 2.) Once you know which state the water is in we can figure out whether to use the heat of vaporization and/or heat of fusion. The heat of vaporization is when the phase transition is between gas<-->liquid (for water this occurs at 100 C), while the heat of fusion is between liquid<-->solid (for water this occurs at 0 C). 3.) So now that we know information from the two steps above, we can solve for the enthalpy. The enthalpy change is going to be equivalent to the energy required to change the temperature of the water from 50 C to 0 C (using the enthalpy change value for liquids), and then either heat of fusion or vaporization, and the finally going from 0 C to -30 C (what is phase does ice belong to). So hopefully this helps. One thing I want to point out is that the heats are given in kJ/mol so you probably need to do some conversions to get to J/g. You'll need the molecular weight of water to do this.
@4n1m0s1ty work it out step by step pplz
Ok, lets go through the first step. What state is the water initially in at 50 C, and what does it turn into at -30 C?
@4n1m0s1ty a liquid
@4n1m0s1ty am I correct
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Sorry connection issues. Yes that correct
Now what does it turn into at -30 C?
@4n1m0s1ty gas
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Yep
@4n1m0s1ty whats next
@4n1m0s1ty i need the work done, i need help hello
@4 its hw
So, no we know we are going from a liquid to a solid. If read my explanation above, we know that we need to use the heat of fusion. However, its in kJ/mol. so we need to convert the sample that we have from grams into mols? do you know how to do this?
@4n1m0s1ty no, u there
@4n1m0s1ty this is a new chapter 4 for me
Yeah, sorry I tend to lurk around in different threads while waiting for a reply. So yeah we need to convert from grams to mols. So basically you need to take the 100 g of water that you have and divide by the molecular weight (I think its like 18.02 g/mol, but I would do a quick google search to make sure.)
Yeah its 18.02 g/mol, so just do 100 divided by 18.02 to get the mols of water in the sample.
@4n1m0s1ty after that...
So once you have the mols of water you need to multiply that by the heat of fusion.
To get the energy change for the phase transition. Since, its in kJ just move the decimal place to the right 3 places to get Joules. We need to do this part since the other values are in Joules
Then after that we need to calculate the energy required to change the temperature of the water from 50 C to 0 C, and then going from 0 C to -30 C. Its two seperate calculations since its two different phases.
@4n1m0s1ty i got 33,351 Joules
So for the 50 to 0 one you need to use the 4.18 value, and for the 0 to -30 you need to use the 2.09 value
Hold on let me check
Yep got the same thing
@4n1m0s1ty for the fusion
@4n1m0s1ty what the equation from 50 to 0C
@4n1m0s1ty hello
So you need to use the sample size 100 g multiplied by the temperature change (50 C) multiplied by 4.18
Thats for 50 to 0
You do the same thing for 0 to -30, but instead you need to multiply by 2.09 instead of 4.18 since it is in solid phase
@4n1m0s1ty next step
@4n1m0s1ty u dont use 18.02
Nope
Its in grams now not mols
@4n1m0s1ty when we use mols
Once you find those two values, just add it to the 33351 joules to get the total enthalpy change
You need to use mols only when you wnat to cancel out mols in the problem.
Out heat of fusion was in kJ/mol, so we need the sample size in mols to cancel it out to just be left with energy.
@4n1m0s1ty is delta T 30
Yes
Oh just remembered delta T is -50 since we are going down in temp for the 50 to 0 one
@4n1m0s1ty 30*100*?
30*100*2.09
Thats the enthalpy change per temp per gram for ice
@4n1m0s1ty 100*50*4.18= 20.9 KJ
@4n1m0s1ty u add 20.9 + 6.27 + 33351
One sec checking
@4n1m0s1ty teacher answer: -60.6 Kj
@4n1m0s1ty how pplz
One sec
Trying to see where the math is wrong
Ok, found it. So we need to be consistent in our units.
Since your teacher left it in kJ. We should just leave 33351 J as 33.351 kJ
When you add them together you get 60.6 kJ
@4n1m0s1ty show all the steps again. But how u get -60.6 kj
@4n1m0s1ty what are the values again
Ok so you found these correct? 20.9 kJ for 50 to 0 6.27 kJ for 0 to -30 33.351 kJ for heat of fusion
We just add them together, and get the enthalpy change. The negative just denotes the flow of energy. Its negative, so its going out of out system. This makes sense since the you are going from liquid water to ice, so you are losing heat to cool the water.
@4n1m0s1ty yes, i have another question: a substance has the following properties: heat of vaporization: 31.8 kj/mol heat of fusion: 2.51 Kj/mol Boiling point: 76C melting point: -23C c(s): 3.0 J/gC c(l) 2.5 J/gC c(g) 1.0 J /gC calculate the energy needed to convert 0.500 mol from -50C to 130C. Molar Mass=154 grams.
@4n1m0s1ty can u email as well the step by step process. klloganinfo@cox.net Im kinda of guessing.
I kind of just told you how to solve the problem in this thread. Its the same problem just with different numbers.
@4n1m0s1ty do you use the heat of vaporization
Yes, you just account for both fusion and vaporization because you go from solid to gas
so just find enthalpy from fusion and enthalpy from vaporization
@4n1m0s1ty and why? I have another question: How much energy does it take to convert 130 grams of ice at -40C to steam at 160C i dont get this question
and add it to the temperature changes: -30 to 0 0 to 100 100 to 130
Because at phase transitions (meaning water at 0 and 100 C) there is a certain amount of heat that needs to be released/captured in order for a phase transition to occur.
@4n1m0s1ty what values are those 4? the latter question or or former?
Thats for the second question you asked
@4n1m0s1ty and add it to the temperature changes: -30 to 0 0 to 100 100 to 130
@4n1m0s1ty u mean converting to 130 grams question?
No for this one: yes, i have another question: a substance has the following properties: heat of vaporization: 31.8 kj/mol heat of fusion: 2.51 Kj/mol Boiling point: 76C melting point: -23C c(s): 3.0 J/gC c(l) 2.5 J/gC c(g) 1.0 J /gC calculate the energy needed to convert 0.500 mol from -50C to 130C. Molar Mass=154 grams.
oh mistake its -50 to 0 not -30 to 0
@4n1m0s1ty i caught it
but yeah just do what we did for this first problem, and the second and third should be the same way to solve
@4n1m0s1ty 4 that question do I use 77 for m
@4n1m0s1ty have another question: How much energy does it take to convert 130 grams of ice at -40C to steam at 160C i dont get this question
Actually, I messed a bit, lets go back to this problem. yes, i have another question: a substance has the following properties: heat of vaporization: 31.8 kj/mol heat of fusion: 2.51 Kj/mol Boiling point: 76C melting point: -23C c(s): 3.0 J/gC c(l) 2.5 J/gC c(g) 1.0 J /gC calculate the energy needed to convert 0.500 mol from -50C to 130C. Molar Mass=154 grams. Like I said before you calculate heat of vaporization and fusion. But the substance here isnt water. So the boiling/freezing points are different the temperature changes are different, it should be -50 to -23 (solid) -23 to 76 (liquid) 76 to 130 (gas)
Also for this question: How much energy does it take to convert 130 grams of ice at -40C to steam at 160C i dont get this question What do you not understand about it?
@4n1m0s1ty u subtract -50+23, -23+76 and 76-130? idek
Ok so I think you might be misunderstanding some stuff so let me clarify.
@4n1m0s1ty those 3 values are what numeric value?
@4n1m0s1ty How much energy does it take to convert 130 grams of ice at -40C to steam at 160C i dont get this question: email me klloganinfo@cox.net
When we want to find the total enthalpy change we need to find the enthapy change from the phase transition and from the temperature change. I think you understand the phase transition stuff, so lets talk about the temperature change. When we calculate the enthalpy change from temp. We need to calculate the full range, the equation is this: \[Q=mc \Delta T\] were Q is the heat, m is mass, c is the specific heat (those values they give you for each phase in the problem) and delta T is the temperature change. So when we calculate this, we need to do the final - the initial temperature for the delta T.
Also, I would really like to email you, but unfortunately, I'm not currently in a situation where I can at the moment. and its easier to just help from this site.
@4n1m0s1ty but 4 future reference whats ur email?
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