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OpenStudy (anonymous):

derive sin(x+jy)

OpenStudy (zzr0ck3r):

do you mean derive the derivative?

OpenStudy (zzr0ck3r):

i.e. differentiate?

OpenStudy (zzr0ck3r):

or do you mean show how we derive the function sin(x+jy) from triangles?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

derive as in derive that function i don't know how to start pls help :) @zzr0ck3r

OpenStudy (zzr0ck3r):

I would google it. It takes allot of pictures

OpenStudy (aum):

You can first derive the formula for sin(A+B). Then put A = x and B = jy to derive sin(x+jy). Here is one link that derives sin(A+B): http://www-istp.gsfc.nasa.gov/stargaze/Strig5.htm

OpenStudy (anonymous):

sin(A+B), then? im sorry i still have no idea .. the link you gave confuses me :((

OpenStudy (anonymous):

can i use this as my solution? @aum http://www.symbolab.com/solver/derivative-calculator/%5Cfrac%7Bd%7D%7Bdx%7D(sin(x%2Bjy))/?origin=button

OpenStudy (kainui):

@KarlaKalurky is this a calculus or trigonometry course?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

advance mathematics

OpenStudy (anonymous):

@Kainui

OpenStudy (anonymous):

@amistre64

OpenStudy (anonymous):

@ganeshie8

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

derive as in "differentiate" ?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

yes

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

you have 3 variables in sin(x+jy)

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

can you take a screenshot of original question and attach if psble ?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

okay :))) wait

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

waiting

OpenStudy (anonymous):

OpenStudy (anonymous):

my sr codes ends with an even no. so I must derive for (x+jy) :))))

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Derive doesn't mean differentiate. I don't know why people keep associating them.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

how ? where shall i start? pleasee help me :(

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Do you know what \(j\) is?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

complex number, imaginary number.. i

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Okay, so what concepts have they introduced so far?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Can you use the Maclaurin series?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

converting complex nos. to rectangular, polar, trigo, and expo form... ?? i think so :)

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

hey i think they just want you derive the formula they are not asking you to find derivATIVE

OpenStudy (anonymous):

how?? :)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

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OpenStudy (anonymous):

This is sort of the definition for a real number \(t\).

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

j is the imaginary unit ?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

So how do you think we would define it for a complex number then? Would we have a unit sphere?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Okay, maybe we can consider how...

OpenStudy (anonymous):

\[ x+jy = re^{j\theta} = \cos(\theta)+i\sin(\theta) \]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

However, if we let \(\theta\) be an imaginary number...

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Maybe something like...\[ re^{j(x+jy)} = \cos(x+jy)+j\sin(x+jy) \]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

\[ re^{j(x+jy)} = re^{xj-y} = (re^{-y})e^{jx} \]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

@KarlaKalurky Does this help?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

ahh why did you substitute to re^j(theta)?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Hmm, well

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Actually, I made a lot of mistakes, can I just start over real quick?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

super duper fine! :DD

OpenStudy (anonymous):

We start with this:\[ e^{j\theta} = \cos(\theta)+j\sin(\theta) \]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

We take the imaginary part of both sides: \[ \Im(e^{j\theta}) = \sin(\theta) \]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Follow so far?

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

why not simply use the sin(A+B) formula ?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

ok..

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Now we need to use \(\theta=x+jy\):\[ \Im(e^{j(x+jy)})=\sin(x+jy) \]So, now we have found the answer.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

We can simplify a bit though...

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

\[\sin(x+jy) = \sin x \cos(jy) + \cos x\sin(jy) = \sin x \cosh y + i\cos x \sinh y \]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Yeah sure, let's just assume that those properties exist.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

It's not like we need to prove it or anything.

OpenStudy (jhannybean):

hyperbolics? @ganeshie8 Nice!

OpenStudy (anonymous):

okay.. i think i saw something like that in our manual that sin

OpenStudy (anonymous):

*that sinh and cosh

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

you should know their definitions since you're doing advanced mathematics :P

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

usually mathematicians use i form imaginary unit, are you doing engineering ?

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